AHC: smaller Mexican cession - Border runs west from Rio Grande at 35th parallel

raharris1973

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AHC: smaller Mexican cession - Border runs west from Rio Grande at 35th parallel --

Los Angeles and San Diego remain towns in Mexico.

I guess the portions of California and Arizona south of the 35th , north of Baja and Sonora, will remain Mexico's "Alta California" and a small residual "Nuevo Mexico" will exist between Chihuahua to the south, the Rio Grande to the east, the 35th parallel to the north and the border of Alta California to the west.

How do things change in both Mexico and the USA going forward from there?

What are the biggest urban centers in American California south of San Francisco, and in Arizona?

In the 20th and 21st century, does Alta California become a much more developed and populous Mexican state than Baja and Sonora and Chihuahua?
 

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AHC: smaller Mexican cession - Border runs west from Rio Grande at 35th parallel --

Los Angeles and San Diego remain towns in Mexico.

I guess the portions of California and Arizona south of the 35th , north of Baja and Sonora, will remain Mexico's "Alta California" and a small residual "Nuevo Mexico" will exist between Chihuahua to the south, the Rio Grande to the east, the 35th parallel to the north and the border of Alta California to the west.

How do things change in both Mexico and the USA going forward from there?

What are the biggest urban centers in American California south of San Francisco, and in Arizona?

In the 20th and 21st century, does Alta California become a much more developed and populous Mexican state than Baja and Sonora and Chihuahua?
Dude, take a breath, seriously.

This is THIRTEEN Threads started TODAY.

Might want to consider switching to decaf.
 

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Well that was a lot, even if making up for lost time.

Interesting idea though isn't it, given the cultural importance of SoCal to 20th century America?
 
This doesn't benefit anyone. Mexico still loses the populated parts of New Mexico and the United States doesn't get the very nice port of San Diego. There's also a part of the San Joaquin Valley of California awkwardly assigned to Mexico in this--I think the United States would want to annex this area and secure control of the passes into the valley.

Assuming we go with this not particularly desirable situation, there probably wouldn't be a cross-border area the size of San Diego-Tijuana due to the rough geography of the area. But Santa Maria, California and whatever city just north of it in the United States emerges might be pretty sizable. Same thing with Bakersfield, California and whatever Mexican city is south of it. Maybe also something near Bullhead City along the Colorado River?
 

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AHC: smaller Mexican cession - Border runs west from Rio Grande at 35th parallel --

Los Angeles and San Diego remain towns in Mexico.

I guess the portions of California and Arizona south of the 35th , north of Baja and Sonora, will remain Mexico's "Alta California" and a small residual "Nuevo Mexico" will exist between Chihuahua to the south, the Rio Grande to the east, the 35th parallel to the north and the border of Alta California to the west.

How do things change in both Mexico and the USA going forward from there?

What are the biggest urban centers in American California south of San Francisco, and in Arizona?

In the 20th and 21st century, does Alta California become a much more developed and populous Mexican state than Baja and Sonora and Chihuahua?
If you want to try making this happen, you could have Mexico continue to resist in 1848 through an anti-U.S. insurgency. Then, when the Whigs win power in the U.S. later that year, they agree to negotiate a better border with Mexico in comparison to what President Polk wanted.
 
But how is this a "better border" as I said, when it completely abandons New Mexico to the Yankees? A better result which both Mexico and the US could negotiate on would be a bit more nuanced border and not just a solid line of latitude to the sea. But a more "maximal" border for Mexico might be the 37th parallel north which puts many important places in both Nuevo Mexico and Alta California within the boundaries of Mexico.
 

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Metalinvader- is your version of the border trying to keep Santa Fe, Albuquerque and the Grand Canyon in Mexico? I think the Texans were pretty determined on getting Santa Fe
 
Metalinvader- is your version of the border trying to keep Santa Fe, Albuquerque and the Grand Canyon in Mexico? I think the Texans were pretty determined on getting Santa Fe

Not so much the Grand Canyon, but it's trying to keep the center of New Mexico (Sante Fe, Albuquerque, Taos) within Mexico. The Texans could try to get New Mexico, but the New Mexicans really, really, really didn't like the Texans, as in, they hated them more than other Mexicans did, and Texas was very unsuccessful trying to get New Mexico as an independent country. And they still failed in the Mexican American War, and again in the Civil War with the New Mexico Campaign (led by Texas units). Geographically, the Rio Grande is not the best border in the region since Nuevo Mexico grew up on both sides of it--it's like dividing Egypt at the Nile.
 
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