AHC: Seven Years War.

Probably been done alot, Im assuming, but I want to know.


For France to win the 7 years war, what would the POD be, and how would it effect North America and the World?
 
The French Alliance going into the 7YW actually had a lot going for it - France, after all, was from 1648-1815 the foremost land power in Europe, not to mention that the Habsburg Monarchy and Russia weren't slouches either.

Not only was der Alte Fritz a very lucky bastard, but Britain was coming into its own as a great naval and mercantile empire - its sound finances ensured Prussia would be able to beat all coming contenders.

Now, for the colonial side of the war, I'm not so sure...
 

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The Colonial part wouldn't even be that difficult, Wolfe's victory for instance was pretty luck based and could have easily gone the other way.

As for the European, just have the miracle of the house of Brandenburg not happen, then Prussia folds.
 
The Colonial part wouldn't even be that difficult, Wolfe's victory for instance was pretty luck based and could have easily gone the other way.

As for the European, just have the miracle of the house of Brandenburg not happen, then Prussia folds.

Yeah, IIRC the French were actually ahead in the French and Indian War on points.

And yes, Frederick was such a lucky bastard.
 
The consequences are rather dependent on how secure the French victory is. IOTL the French were essentially kicked out of the North American landmass, if they win a similar victory I could easily see the same thing occuring to the English.
 
~ The garrison at Louisbourg could've been indefinitely garrisoned if the French had sent their fleets out on time. It was taken only when the French ships were completely delayed. This wouldn't win the war, but keep the possibility for French re-supply in Quebec/Montreal.

~ Wolfe's ASB luck in being able to scale up the Quebec cliffside to the Plains of Abraham could've easily been disastrous. If he ends up being able to land ashore and make his way past the nearby French camp and begin scaling the cliffsides, but is spotted, he could easily lose a ton of men and prestige. It's the PoD I used for an unpublished TL I wrote sometime back.

~ Likewise, had Wolfe's ridiculous luck been replicated but Vaudreuil left just one regiment near the Plains, the British defenders would likely have been temporarily driven back, giving crucial time for Montcalm to prepare for an offensive. In addition, had Montcalm simply been patient and waited for Bougainville's column to arrive, the whole British force might've been completely annhilated as they could've flanked them. With Quebec defended yet again and Wolfe and his men likely dead or captured, if things go much worse for Frederick in Europe (who also enjoyed a lot of luck :p) you might very well see the British sue for peace.

This is merely a successful "defense" of the French areas in North America. The French really did not have the capacity than do more than raid down the Hudson, and even then only maybe as far as Albany (and that'd be a wank). The English would never be "kicked" out of America barring huge, epic failure on the continent- something they just weren't set up to do there..

Honestly, the long-term effects are hard to project. In a "soft" French victory; a win in mainland Europe, loss in India, loss at sea (largely) but a victory in NA you might see a few minor land-swaps, but French-North America would remain intact. Perhaps the British abandon some claims on the Ohio River, but it would just mean the war is likely revisited in 10-15 years. It would definitely delay or at least change the ARW, if it was to even happen. A hard French peace, where the British suffer more losses everywhere probably likewise means a few land-swaps in favor of the French, perhaps a recognition of influence on the Carnatic Coast, recognition of French trade rights on the Ohio and a few islands repatriated to France.
 
Well in my Disaster at Leuthen TL I have Ferderick dying in battle, and thus the Brits and Prussians lose the 7YW. In which case I have a minimialised Prussia while France maintains its colonies in North America and India.
 
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