AHC: Serbian southern Italy

I admit i played the game but i never did that strategy so im not familiar with it,i prefere my nations compact and natural :D

I was just working off of an idea that if they are compleatly blocked off from the habsburgs they wouldnt have many places to go and desperation does breed ingenuity after all.
 
I was working off the example where the venetians managed to transport the ottomans saving them from timurs hordes,sure the adriatic is bigger than the bosporus but only slightly so.
The Bosphorus is 750 mt. wide at its narrowest, and the Dardanelles are 1,600 mt wide. Xerses had two pontoon bridges built across the Dardanelles at the time of the second Persian invasion of Greece. The distance from Ragusa to Bari is 214 km. Don't you think it makes a difference?

As for settleing them in dalmatia,the habsburgs originaly gave them most of the land in the frontier in return for service,while venice could do something similair it never seemed like they cared enough about the inland to even bother developing it,even with the habsburgs giving them mostly a free hand in border defense there still were roads and forts being built to make it more defendable.
The settlement of the Military Frontier started in the mid of the 16th century and went on for the next 250 years. It was not some kind of biblical migration happening all at once, but rather a continuous process dependent on the fortunes of war: when the Habsburgs were dominant and invaded Serbian lands, the Serbs would rebel against the Ottomans. Then when the Ottomans got the upper hand, Serbs followed the retreating Habsburg troops.
Note that it made sense for the Habsburg to accept refugees and settle them on a contested border: it was an easy way to raise local troops who were not paid but got a remission of taxes. It made also sense for the Serbs to move north, on foot, following the river valleys (the tributaries of Danube move all in a N-S direction. Dalmatia was not as good an alternative: the land in the interior is less fertile than in the Military Frontier, the border is protected by mountains rather than by rivers, and in any case most of the Dalmatian border is with Bosnia-Herzegovina (which was an Ottoman province) not Serbia.

If the serbs turn into venetian foot soldiers could it improve their millitary record in italy since they wouldnt need the condotierri?
Venice raised regiments in Dalmatia, mostly Croatian light horses but also foot regiments. This went on for almost 4 centuries and usually these troops were faithful and worth their pay. We are talking of some thousand troops, however, not the "tens of thousands" you mention.

Anyways other than them conquering naples i see no way to get a serbian south italy.
Sure the king of naples would be pissed but i doubt either ragusa or venice had much to fear from him,as for the benefit they get from it,i dont know,i just figured getting rid of thousands of refugees clinging to your port cities walls demanding entry and help would be enough,does venice have the capability to reasonably settle the people thou,i mean give them land,cattle,some pay etc?
The original millitary frontier was as large as all of dalmatia when taken in totality.
It would certainly cause a major disruption of commerce, which was not what Venice was looking for, as well as a high probability of open hostilities. Why should Venice make this decision to piss off Naples (and its Iberian overlords)? See above, there is no possibility of a biblical exodus from Serbia into Dalmatia nor anyone who would pay for the privilege of resettling Serbs in Southern Italy.
 
Sure it wasnt biblical but it wasnt minor either,im of course refering to the so called great serbian migration in the 17th-18th century

All the sources i managed to dig up(mostly wikipedia) mention either some patriarch leading 60k people into hungary,another serbian source says 60k families.

In either case its a lot of people.

Also i was only trying to think of a plausible way to get what the author of the thread requested,nautral migration during the original serb migration a millenia ago isnt going to work since they werent a maritime people to begin with.

The only option is for the habsburgs to subcome to their catholicism,all it would take is their king being a bit more zealous fearing for his immortal soul which wasnt that uncommon back then,then the serbs have no choice but to either make a stand against the turks and get killed off or flee to wherever they can

Also i still fail to see what venice is going to do with them,its between 60,000 and 180,000(if every family has 3 people) people they would need to settle in dalmatia or risk them simply taking it over from them,ragusa is in even worse shape because they could realistically siege the city itself with little chance of relief.

I also dont think the transportation is that impossible of an issue,venice had very large amounts of ships and if they work together with the ragusans they could probably get rid of them in a matter of months.

As for venice not wanting to piss of naples,in all honestly naples is irrelevant to the venetians,their heartland is in the northern adriatic and most of their trade flowed from the east,weather naples likes them or not is compleatly irelevant to them,not like their relations with most of the italian nations were that shiny to begin with.

If anyone has a better idea to make this work im all ears.
 
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