AHC: Save a notorious flop

[Unknown]

Not exactly a flop but a disappointment: Pearl Harbor (2001)

Here's how to make it better: Just have Michael Bay do it as a modern version of Tora! Tora! Tora! like he had planned on doing--apparently, the romantic triangle at the center of the story was others' ideas, not his (for once)...

 

[phx1138]

Make Star Trek: The Motion Picture into some sort of Federation-Klingon conflict. The audience was looking for something like that after Star Wars, but Gene Roddenberry didn't want to go militaristic with the franchise. In TOS they did the Federation-Klingon stories very well, and another story like that would have been a good movie. Roddenberry could have even put an anti-war twist into the movie, for example a Federation-Klingon war being caused by hard-headed diplomats failing to solve an intergalactic problem or border dispute between the two empires, and Kirk losing a guy like Decker in the war, and saying at the end, "We fought and lost all these lives for nothing but ego."

You could have the Klingons destroying a border planet with a dirty bomb, and the Klingons forced to clean up the planet at the end of the movie, but the Federation doesn't trust them to do it. Therefore, it gives rationale for the Federation to develop the Genesis device in TWOK

I'd be afraid of it devolving into the kind of nonsense seen in "DS9", with thousands of ships (apparently) on screen at once...

I also get the sense "ST" was narrower-focused than that: going to such a big geopolitical theme loses the focus on the "Big 6", doesn't it? Unless the film is about Enterprise & the gang thinking the whole war is a stupid idea & trying to subvert UFP policy (& thwart the evilly Klingons) by preventing it. What about a crazy twist? A Klingon (Kang? Kor?) who opposes the war joining with Kirk to stop it.

As for the Genesis Device, I'd happily use a different MacGuffin; giving anybody the ability to wipe out whole planets at will, especially when it's no good for anything else (&, since David cheated, it wasn't), isn't something I'd trust the UFP (or Starfleet) with, given the number of crazies that have turned up over the years. (Why Section 31 didn't covertly give it to the Cardassians to use against the Founders' homeworld, I have no idea, beyond the writers never thought of it. ) Khan's revenge as plot driver is plenty.

 

[RedBeetle]

@RedBeetle

Great idea for KMTPOTP. One difficulty, though...

In the USA, that movie was made-for-TV, and IIRC, it showed at night, prime time. How likely would it be that an animated, non-Christmas movie could get into that time slot?

(Remember when the cop shows up at the poolside to accuse one the Kiss guys of trashing the park, and the Dragon growls at him? Yeah, I would have to be drunk to get through filming that as well.)

Yeah... then again I’m not really familiar with all that stuff. I’m just someone who hates that movie.

 

[Father Maryland]

Hey! I liked that film. It's more exciting than Star Trek the Motion Picture. A big budget and good special effects alone doesn't make a good film.

I personally think that Waterworld get's way too much shit. Yeah it's kind of a dumb action movie but it's entertaining and enjoyable with some really cool ass fight scenes.

And Jack Black get's shot with a Harpoon. How many movies can you name where you can watch Jack Black get shot with a giant harpoon?

 

[Father Maryland]

I'd be afraid of it devolving into the kind of nonsense seen in "DS9", with thousands of ships (apparently) on screen at once...

I also get the sense "ST" was narrower-focused than that: going to such a big geopolitical theme loses the focus on the "Big 6", doesn't it? Unless the film is about Enterprise & the gang thinking the whole war is a stupid idea & trying to subvert UFP policy (& thwart the evilly Klingons) by preventing it. What about a crazy twist? A Klingon (Kang? Kor?) who opposes the war joining with Kirk to stop it.

As for the Genesis Device, I'd happily use a different MacGuffin; giving anybody the ability to wipe out whole planets at will, especially when it's no good for anything else (&, since David cheated, it wasn't), isn't something I'd trust the UFP (or Starfleet) with, given the number of crazies that have turned up over the years. (Why Section 31 didn't covertly give it to the Cardassians to use against the Founders' homeworld, I have no idea, beyond the writers never thought of it. ) Khan's revenge as plot driver is plenty.

Why was DS9 nonsense?

 

[Driftless]

Not a financial flop, but could-have-been-better - Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time

It had a top flight cast, production, score, etc; and made some money, but it was generally seen as sort of a disappontment

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

The Disney era has been astonishingly good.

I suspect the Star Wars FANDOM might disagree with you there.

Ep VII: $2bn
Ep VIII: $1.3bn
Ep IX: $1.07bn
SOLO: $400m
Rogue One: $1bn +which was an outlier

Ratings: Rotten Tomotoes/Metacritic

Ep VII: 92% - 80
Ep VII: 90% - 84
Ep IX: 51% - 53
SOLO: 69% - 62
Rogue One: 84% - 64

And that's without the Gino Carrano debacle!

 

[Toxic34]

I suspect the Star Wars FANDOM might disagree with you there.

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Ep VII: $2bn
Ep VIII: $1.3bn
Ep IX: $1.07bn
SOLO: $400m
Rogue One: $500m +which was an outlyer

Ratings: Rotten Tomotoes/Metacritic

Ep VII: 92% - 80
Ep VII: 90% - 84
Ep IX: 51% - 53
SOLO: 69% - 62
Rogue One: 84% - 64

And that's without the Gino Carrano debacle!

Before the "George Lucas raped our childhoods" idiots crowbarred their way in and the 3D rerelease, the RT scores for all three prequels were over 70, as the Wayback Machine shows. They only changed after the rerelease. And if you took only the contemporaneous reviews of the original trilogy and RT existed at that time, the score would also be an average of mid 70s, as Empire was just as polarizing as The Last Jedi in 1980.

Over $1 billion is not a flop by any means or standards; there was no "money left on the table", it only was this way because of idiots spoiling the movie for other idiots.

Also, "The Force Is Female" is not a "female supremacist, SJW-pandering" statement, it's saying "The Force Is ALSO Female," much like how "Black Lives Matter" is actually saying "Black Lives Matter TOO".

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Also, "The Force Is Female" is not a "female supremacist, SJW-pandering" statement, it's saying "The Force Is ALSO Female," much like how "Black Lives Matter" is actually saying "Black Lives Matter TOO".

Which is the entire point I was making in a earlier post . . . in other words, keep politics out of a franchise unless that franchise is a political narrative!

Also I think you're having a problem comprehending the English language . . . if they want to state that the force is ALSO female, they should've printed that on their merch!

 

[Major Major]

Like _John Carter_

Never really looked into that one.

Here's something that did that for you.

John Carter and the Gods of Hollywood

 

[sampleswift]

Was Dreamworks' Rise of the Guardians saveable? Or was this doomed to fail?

 

[ross harstad]

Which is the entire point I was making in a earlier post . . . in other words, keep politics out of a franchise unless that franchise is a political narrative!

Also I think you're having a problem comprehending the English language . . . if they want to state that the force is ALSO female, they should've printed that on their merch!

Fuzzy, If you want to discuss how women and the POC ruined Star Wars. Do it on Fandom thread. Also None of the Disney Star Wars movies were bombs (Aside from Solo) so STFU

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

so STFU

And that's the best you can do?, type expletives and be abusive?

(((IGNORED))) button pressed . . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

 

[CalBear]

Okay. Stop.

I have shut down Star Wars THREADS in Media and Fandom and prohibited new ones for six months for kind of crap. Does ANYONE think for half a second I won't come back in here and kick everyone continues this BS going forward?

HINT: I will. Play nice or don't play. Y'all are on notice.

 

[Toxic34]

Which is the entire point I was making in a earlier post . . . in other words, keep politics out of a franchise unless that franchise is a political narrative!

Also I think you're having a problem comprehending the English language . . . if they want to state that the force is ALSO female, they should've printed that on their merch!

It's not politics to say that The Force Is (ALSO) Female, it's simply a matter of fact. And you can't read between the lines.

Also, you're basically making the same point as the "All Lives Matter" idiots, All lives do matter, but the reason they say "Black Lives Matter" is because up to now, they haven't, so they have to say "Black Lives Matter TOO." It's very clearly implied in there. Same reason with The Force Is (ALSO) Female, it's clearly right there. If you can't read between the lines, you're the one with the reading comprehension problems if you can't detect the context.

Besides the obvious fact wording it this way is snappier, the context is very easy to sense; or it should be. But apparently, common sense is not that common.

 

[Vanguard45]

Ultraman Nexus:
Jesus christ.
Save the series by not putting the teenager aimed series on during a time little kids are watching.
What the fuck were they thinking?
WHY?!

Then we could have Junis Orange and Nagi would've been a Ultraman for a few episodes.

Ultraman Powered:
Tsurabaya actually keeps a eye on the production and ensures a better company is working on it.
The suits, as great as they are visually, shouldn't be made so fragile.
Story, eh, I like it.

Result is Gridman Sigma doesn't get cancelled due to Tsurabaya bleeding cash over it.

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

It's not politics to say that The Force Is (ALSO) Female,

Yes it is. Keep politics out of cinema

 

[Mort the Reaper]

My friends, there's a time and place for this kind of debate, and this thread isn't it. Could you please knock it off? The Bear gave official warning.

 

[phx1138]

Why was DS9 nonsense?

The battles with thousands of ships? When every single ship equal of Enterprise or Defiant had to have the power to devastate hundreds of planets all by themselves. When there were "fighters" like swarms of bees that weren't blown out of space by the hundred by main phasers with such enormous power. When the heavy ships were clustered so closely you could practically walk from DS9 to Bajor without leaving contact with a ship hull.

Could somebody, anybody, have told the writers to get a clue?

 

[Sarufiyyun]

Eight Crazy Nights was a well animated movie, better than what it should've been but if it wasn't for Adam Sandler's tendency to insert in toilet humor and product placements, it could've been THE Hanukah movie. The director, Seth Kearsley, revealed that a lot of the terrible elements were kept in because of focus groups. Change the focus group audiences and people would remember it as one of Adam Sandler's hits.