AHC Russia with a pop of 200 million

Hello, I have noticed that russia have a incredible low population for it's massive landmass of "only" 144 million people, while smaller countries like Brazil and Pakistan have way more people, this without considering how a huge demographical desert that russia is:

population-density-map.jpg


So, my challenge is simple, your must make a scenario that results in Russia having it's current borders (yes, with crimea), and having at least 200 million people
 
No Second World War would probably give you a population similar to that. But it would not give you Russia's current borders.
 
No Second World War would probably give you a population similar to that. But it would not give you Russia's current borders.

the USSR without the second world war can absolutly shatter. and it is possible for it to shatter among its internal borders.

it could even acquiere kaliningrad...somehow
 
the USSR without the second world war can absolutly shatter. and it is possible for it to shatter among its internal borders.

it could even acquiere kaliningrad...somehow
It would need more than just Kaliningrad to have its present day borders. It would also need Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands from Japan as well as parts of Karelia from Finland.
 
Hello, I have noticed that russia have a incredible low population for it's massive landmass of "only" 144 million people, while smaller countries like Brazil and Pakistan have way more people, this without considering how a huge demographical desert that russia is:

population-density-map.jpg


So, my challenge is simple, your must make a scenario that results in Russia having it's current borders (yes, with crimea), and having at least 200 million people

Have them not kill their people.
 
Hello, I have noticed that russia have a incredible low population for it's massive landmass of "only" 144 million people, while smaller countries like Brazil and Pakistan have way more people, this without considering how a huge demographical desert that russia is:

population-density-map.jpg


So, my challenge is simple, your must make a scenario that results in Russia having it's current borders (yes, with crimea), and having at least 200 million people

The image you evidently attached is not showing up-- except as a broken icon with IMG next to it--on my computer.

Anyway, for one reason Russia is not more populous, see this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clima...ssia_map_of_Köppen_climate_classification.svg And recall that Canada, which is slightly larger than the United States, has fewer people than California...
 
If you were to avoid Stalin as the leader and were to have Trotsky instead, this would lead to a more politically relaxed system so the millions of people who were sent to Siberia wouldn't have been.
However this would have huge butterflies when/if ww2 comes along and due to generals being purged in the 1930's by Stalin, the Soviet Union may have lost the war or it may have gone on for longer leading to a smaller population anyway.
 
If you were to avoid Stalin as the leader and were to have Trotsky instead, this would lead to a more politically relaxed system so the millions of people who were sent to Siberia wouldn't have been.
However this would have huge butterflies when/if ww2 comes along and due to generals being purged in the 1930's by Stalin, the Soviet Union may have lost the war or it may have gone on for longer leading to a smaller population anyway.

ok, but what about a more recent PoD? What if the soviet union dissolved more "peacefully"? Could they get close to 200 million by 2016?
 
What if the soviet union dissolved more"peacefully"? Could they get close to 200 million by 2016?

I am not very knowledgable on the break up of the Soviet Union..... but if I assume if power and money doesn't go to the oligarchies and there is a more peaceful shift to democracy more money would be invested in infrastructure which creates the conditions for a population boom.

Whether you could get it to 200 million I don't know.
 
What if the soviet union dissolved more"peacefully"? Could they get close to 200 million by 2016?

I am not very knowledgable on the break up of the Soviet Union..... but if I assume if power and money doesn't go to the oligarchies and there is a more peaceful shift to democracy more money would be invested in infrastructure which creates the conditions for a population boom.

Whether you could get it to 200 million I don't know.

The Central Asian countries were not really thrilled about leaving the Soviet Union - Russia could probably keep them. This gets you to 215 million people without things like partitioning Ukraine on ethnic lines or convincing Belarus that it's just Rus.
 
The collapse of the Soviet healthcare system really lowered life expectancy, so preventing that would reduce the death rate.


ok, you prevent it, maybe by reducing (even more) the army budget and spending it on the healtcare system, the death rate falls, it this possible to make Russia reache 200 million?
 
The Central Asian countries were not really thrilled about leaving the Soviet Union - Russia could probably keep them. This gets you to 215 million people without things like partitioning Ukraine on ethnic lines or convincing Belarus that it's just Rus.
The challenge requires that Russia has its present day borders.
 
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