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Coptic literally means Egyptian. If Persia converts early enough it'll surely have an independent patriarch. Even the Armenians have one. Now, if the OP is really talking about Oriental Christianism...

I'm a little bit confused. Oriental Orthodox is a series of 6 churches in full communion with each other. There are even Ethiopian Orthodox AND Coptic Orthodox churches in USA right now, so why can't a Coptic one be in Persia? It just measn they follow the Patriarch south right? I mean, I guess if Russia converts it would probably easier to get a separate patriarch, but I don't see why it has to
 
Why not a Nestorian Russia seems more plausible then Coptic

Either some turkic group converts to nestorian and migrates to russia and set up shop early on

Golden Horde converts to Nestorianism maybe (Wasnt one of their khans nestorian?)
 
If Bizantines are screwed Russia is going to convert to Catholicism sooner or later. Islam is out of question due to dietary laws-ban of pork and alcohol is not good idea in Eastern European forest zone.

I wouldn't say out of the question. Islam did catch on in Tartarstan. I'm not sure a monarch is going to care about the effect of dietary laws on his people; that seems like anachronistic thinking.
 
I wouldn't say out of the question. Islam did catch on in Tartarstan. I'm not sure a monarch is going to care about the effect of dietary laws on his people; that seems like anachronistic thinking.
Tatarstan is another story-it is steppe, not forest, so cattle and sheep could be raised here to provide people with meat. Border between Christian and Muslim populations in Eastern Europe generally followed border between steppe and forest-Christianity was limited among steppe nomads due long periods of fast, witth meat forbidden, and Islam limited in forested zone because of pork ban.
 
If they were Oriental Orthodox, wouldn't they be more akin to the Armenians than the Copts? Armenians are closer.



That man was also the ancestor of most all of the other princes too.

The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

I put this in bold and repeat it because I see this error so often. The Coptics, Ethiopians, Assyrians, Armenians and Indian Orthodox Churches are the ones that broke off at Chalcedon and have remained in communion ever since

The difference between them is the same as the difference between the Russians and the Greeks-none
 
I'm a little bit confused. Oriental Orthodox is a series of 6 churches in full communion with each other. There are even Ethiopian Orthodox AND Coptic Orthodox churches in USA right now, so why can't a Coptic one be in Persia? It just measn they follow the Patriarch south right? I mean, I guess if Russia converts it would probably easier to get a separate patriarch, but I don't see why it has to

Originally there were five patriarchates, the ones from Alexandria and Antioch would later be known as Oriental Orthodox. Armenian church would get "independent" (not sure if that's the right term) later but still during the early years of Christianity. The "independence" of other Oriental churches are more or less recent developments.
 
Originally there were five patriarchates, the ones from Alexandria and Antioch would later be known as Oriental Orthodox. Armenian church would get "independent" (not sure if that's the right term) later but still during the early years of Christianity. The "independence" of other Oriental churches are more or less recent developments.

Well, doesn't that mean a follower of the Armenian Church and the Coptic one basically have the same beliefs and the only difference is administration? All six are in communion with each other and in some sense are the same church.
 
Well, doesn't that mean a follower of the Armenian Church and the Coptic one basically have the same beliefs and the only difference is administration? All six are in communion with each other and in some sense are the same church.

It means they are members of the same church. They can go to any of these churches and have communion, get married, have their confessions heard everything. The Armenian Patriarch is prayed for in the Coptic Church and the Pope of Alexandera gets prayed for in the Armenian church as do ll of them
 
It means they are members of the same church. They can go to any of these churches and have communion, get married, have their confessions heard everything. The Armenian Patriarch is prayed for in the Coptic Church and the Pope of Alexandera gets prayed for in the Armenian church as do ll of them

That what I thought.
 
Well, doesn't that mean a follower of the Armenian Church and the Coptic one basically have the same beliefs and the only difference is administration? All six are in communion with each other and in some sense are the same church.

It means they are members of the same church. They can go to any of these churches and have communion, get married, have their confessions heard everything. The Armenian Patriarch is prayed for in the Coptic Church and the Pope of Alexandera gets prayed for in the Armenian church as do ll of them

Still it's not correct to say that Coptic and Oriental Church are synonymous. That's pars pro toto.
 
Still it's not correct to say that Coptic and Oriental Church are synonymous. That's pars pro toto.

They would tell you otherwise. It is simply wrong to say they are separate churches because they belong to different administrative subdivisions. Ultimately they are under the same authority which would be a meeting of all of their bishops. They are no more separate churches than two Russian congregations being under different Bishops. Its like claiming a marine and an air force pilot aren't in the same military because they report to different generals. Its just wrong
 
Its like claiming a marine and an air force pilot aren't in the same military because they report to different generals. Its just wrong

.. You didn't understand. Look for the definition of the word synonymous in the dictionary.

They're the same church, the Oriental Orthodox church. The Coptic and Armenian churches are a part of the Oriental Church. Period. Just get the nomenclature right.

You cannot say that the term "US Armed Forces" is equilavent to the term "US Navy", the US Navy is part of the US Armed Forces not an EQUIVALENT term.
 
If Bizantines are screwed Russia is going to convert to Catholicism sooner or later. Islam is out of question due to dietary laws-ban of pork and alcohol is not good idea in Eastern European forest zone.
I know the thread isn't exactly about this, but tbh I think the pork and alcohol ban is less of an issue than you might think.
Untill they abandoned being step nomads (to the larger extent) the Turks got away with all sorts of stuff. Some were practically polytheists, many consumed alcohol and whatever meat they could get their hands on (pork included). Even late into their history, the practices of some Turks was so far removed that the Russians had to abandon categorising people by religion and instead did so by language. Taken far enough, technically speaking the nomadic lifestyle is completely haram as the Quran also mentions hunting (a mainstaple of nomadic life) as forbidden.

In short, whilst less likely than Christianity due to political reasons, I think the old idea that Pork and Alcohol itself would be a barrier isn't the case. Hell, when speaking to muslims in the past about this, the concencus I got was that it might be considered ok to look at the pork as neccesary to survive (something perfectly acceptable to Islam), the alcohol would be permissable under medical means (keeping warm).


Directly to the topic at hand, I think Nestorian Russia isn't impossible.
 
The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

The Coptics are Oriental Orthodox in communion with the Armenians. It is one and the same Church.

I put this in bold and repeat it because I see this error so often. The Coptics, Ethiopians, Assyrians, Armenians and Indian Orthodox Churches are the ones that broke off at Chalcedon and have remained in communion ever since

The difference between them is the same as the difference between the Russians and the Greeks-none
The main assyrian church is not oriental orthodox for the timeframe

Assyrians were church of the east aka nestorians not miaphysites
 
Wasn't there some interpretation about the ban on drink being aimed at wine specifically, rather than alcohol generally, which means beer is technically allowed? Or am I remembering it wrong?
 
Wasn't there some interpretation about the ban on drink being aimed at wine specifically, rather than alcohol generally, which means beer is technically allowed? Or am I remembering it wrong?

Yeah I think you're right on an interpretation on the ban on wine, but Islam doesn't qualify for the OP anyways.
 

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If they were Oriental Orthodox, wouldn't they be more akin to the Armenians than the Copts? Armenians are closer.

This- conversion to the monophysite creed (or miaphysite creed?) is not impossible at all, although less likely than to Orthodoxy or Nestorianism, but missionaries from Armenia would be a more likely source for initial Russian clergy than missionaries from Antioch or Alexandria.
 
The challenge is to do it with Catholic or Oriental Orthodox, with the latter being preferable (because it's... kind of cool). Therefore the Byz missionaries is out, he can go, but to meet the challenge he needs to fail
 
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