AHC: Roanoke Colony Survives and Succeeds?

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One thing that intrigues me to this day is the so-called "Lost Colony" of Roanoke, which actually the first English settlement to be established (even earlier than both Jamestown and Plymouth). However, due to bad luck, poor planning, hostilities with the Spanish and of course the mysterious disappearance of the colonists (leaving behind just the carved words "Croatoan"), the colony pretty much failed.

Therefore, my question is how can the Roanoke Colony evade this fate and meet the same level of success that Jamestown was able to achieve? And what are the implications further down the road for the English/British colonies in the New World and beyond?
 
One thing that intrigues me to this day is the so-called "Lost Colony" of Roanoke, which actually the first English settlement to be established (even earlier than both Jamestown and Plymouth). However, due to bad luck, poor planning, hostilities with the Spanish and of course the mysterious disappearance of the colonists (leaving behind just the carved words "Croatoan"), the colony pretty much failed.

Therefore, my question is how can the Roanoke Colony evade this fate and meet the same level of success that Jamestown was able to achieve? And what are the implications further down the road for the English/British colonies in the New World and beyond?

The Croatoan "mystery" was actually solved 30 years later, some 400 years ago, in spite of the fact that many believe it was unsolved. Under pressure from the hostile tribe nearby, the settlers abandoned their colony and went into hiding with local tribes who were more friendly. From there, some died, others were captured when (years down the line) the friendly tribes were conquered by other hostile tribes, and yet more integrated with the natives and lost their identity. There are some quaint stories of Indian tribes a couple of generations later who had the ability to build two-story huts in their villages, as well as blond-haired, blue-eyed natives being found a century later or more and even one story (I'm not sure if it's true) that something like 120 years later or something crazy, some English colonists were amazed to make contact with a tribe of natives who had never met Europeans before...and yet they spoke a dialect of English fluently. May be nonsense, but it's an interesting story.

As for what would happen, it's hard to say. So much of it depends on decisions made and how things like contact with natives would go during the period when they were still unable to dominate the natives. Even setting survival or even flourishing of the colony as a minimum requirement doesn't define whether they will end up making lots of enemies and being penned in and fighting their way to survival, or being universally popular and spreading out through diplomacy.

One interesting thing about the Roanoke colony is that the original intention was to have all the natives they found perform a ceremony of feudal homage to Queen Elizabeth, through the person of the Governor of the colony. They largely failed to do so OTL - most of the native tribes were insulted to be asked to perform a European ceremony, others declared that they had no need for a coronation ceremony, and the one time they actually managed to perform the ceremony, they had to capture the chieftain to force him to submit, even going so far as to man-handle a crown onto his head, in the most bizarre act of involuntary rank elevation I've ever heard of. Anyway, the intention was to turn America into a feudal state, with land being bought for settler cities to be ruled over by English nobles, and the natives populating the land in between in the style of manorial villages with their own liege lords. I'm not sure how this could be made to work, since it was so unusual and unwanted for the locals, but if it were to work, it would produce a radically different social composition for the colony - at least, unless somewhere down the line some Governor or other decided that he was frustrated with the natives and decided to kill them or drive them west, thus probably eliminating the bulk of the differences between TTL and OTL.
 
I actually considered using a surviving Roanoke as a setting for a role-playing game, have a Southern Gothic city.

Anywho, Roanoke perhaps could have survived if the local Native American politics worked out a little differently, and the village ended up allying with the eventual winners of the local conflict. After that, though, the settlers would have had to act like not complete retards. You'd need some equivalent of a John Smith and/or a Tisquatum (Squanto) to help them grow food and organize the colony.

Once done, this could direct English settlement further south, and put them on even more of a collision course with the Spanish due to increased English piracy on their ships.
 
There was an especially well researched new book on Roanoke last year, you can find the author speaking for an hour on www.booktv.org I suspect or the book on Amazon (bought it for my sister who lives near there but hadn't read it myself.) He thinks from a period map long overlooked that they moved the colony quite a bit to the Northwest and fortified there enough for a later mapping expedition to note them but weren't found by the Roanoke rescue mission going to the original site several years later. Merging into friendly tribes or perhaps into other returning European ships or expeditions or dying off individually rather than a great massacre seems likely but not as immediate as we've assumed.

Unlike Jamestown's colonists, the Roanoke group sounded more unified, practical, family-based and long-term focused rather than find some gold and go back to England as gentlemen with some spending money again like the Jamestown fools. The location in North Carolina seems more habitable too than the Virginia swamp of Jamestown. The POD could be the resupply ship with more colonists arriving on time rather than delayed by 2-3 years and annually followed up, that resupply sustained Jamestown ahead of the massive ongoing die-off of colonists to malaria, dysentary, malnutrition, accidents, attacks, etc.. Or Walter Raleigh and his crew of tough privateers could stay the first year with the colonists rather than just dropping them off, build a substantial settlement, negotiate and ally with local tribes from a position of strength and Raleigh's wily diplomatic/pirate skills, and truly enlist Raleigh in a long-range plan based on what they found there that first year. He was so capable that I think Roanoke's failure is most noted because it was the great Raleigh's. I'd read there's another less documented English settlement a year or two earlier there and another abortive attempt further North by other English captains that barely made note for lack of Raleigh's fame.

I hadn't heard about the feudal manorial estate model plan for Roanoke but it's no less ill-conceived than the Jamestown or Plymouth colonization plans (or Lord Baltimore's Catholics-only haven in Maryland, Roger Williams' plan for Rhode Island, New Amsterdam and Albany as pretty much just fur trading depots, or Penns Land as a remote control feudal estate of the Penn family in England. Bad guesses and poorly fitting models seem like the rule more than the exception so improvising solutions in the field like the rest of the surviving colonies would be aided considerably by having an exceptionally flexible maverick like Sir Walter Raleigh in charge (which would be more likely to draw his former Spanish victims up from their St. Augustine, Florida base not that far to the South of Roanoke.)
 
Two fun tidbits: apparently the first settlement was supposed to be about fifty miles northward, around where Norfolk is. Norfolk at least has a good harbor, though I cannot tell you of how hospitable the area was at the time.

The second is that Chief Powhatan of all people bragged to the Jamestown settlers that he knew of the Roanoke colonists...and helped kill some of them and the natives they had hid with on a personal raid! :eek:
 
Another interesting possibility, at least IMO, is having Raleigh exiled to Roanoke following his falling out with James I. I could see a successful Roanoke colony substantially accelerating the creation of an English colonial presence along the Eastern Seaboard.

I do wonder about the direction of English settlement though. Obviously North Carolina will play the role of Virginia in TTL, but will the English expand North or South? Might the Puritans end up landing in OTL Virginia this time around?
 
As I understand it the first 75 colonists in Virginia were planted in August 1585 and were promised a supply convoy in April 1586. No supply convoy had arrived when Francis Drake appeared in June 1586 on his way home from a Carribean raid, so Drake took the colonists home. Days after Drake took the colonists the supply convoy arrived at Roanoke to find that the people had left, so unsurprisingly they left too, but left a small detachment. Then in July 1587 a second group of 117 were sent to Roanoke, these became the Lost Colony.

The AH possibilities of this intruige me.
 
Another interesting possibility, at least IMO, is having Raleigh exiled to Roanoke following his falling out with James I. I could see a successful Roanoke colony substantially accelerating the creation of an English colonial presence along the Eastern Seaboard.

I do wonder about the direction of English settlement though. Obviously North Carolina will play the role of Virginia in TTL, but will the English expand North or South? Might the Puritans end up landing in OTL Virginia this time around?

I agree, this is an interesting idea; that of an "exile" colony in the New World, that is.

I personally like the notion of having separate Anglo-British colonies being founded in the North and South, but having a foreign power founding a solid colony between the two (maybe a Dutch-Swedish co-founded colony from OTL's Virginia to New York? Just an example), thus pushing the OTL Virginians and Marylanders further to the south, and the Pennsylvanians and/or New Yorkers further north. You'd probably have butterflied away the USA, but it would allow the two regions to develop in relative isolation and deviate even moreso from the home country than OTL.
 
The feudal, manorial-style colonization might actually be far better than how the southern colonies turned out OTL. Instead of importing the Caribbean plantation system based on slavery, a feudal one could be based on free (or 'free') labor while still producing cash crops for export.

I very much doubt (given the great difficulty) that they'd be enforcing any sort of restrictive serfdom--rather more of a loose sharecropping system, and maybe even evolving definitions of tribal or communal freehold. Local tribes and manors pay taxes in-kind, having royal courts resolve their disputes while colonially-raised militia keep the peace. In this context, one could see a high rate of intermarriage between Europeans and Native Americans. Most of those newly-minted English lords are going to bring or have second and third sons, indentured servants, and urban settlers who have less concern about noble lineages.
 

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One thing that intrigues me to this day is the so-called "Lost Colony" of Roanoke, which actually the first English settlement to be established (even earlier than both Jamestown and Plymouth). However, due to bad luck, poor planning, hostilities with the Spanish and of course the mysterious disappearance of the colonists (leaving behind just the carved words "Croatoan"), the colony pretty much failed.

Therefore, my question is how can the Roanoke Colony evade this fate and meet the same level of success that Jamestown was able to achieve? And what are the implications further down the road for the English/British colonies in the New World and beyond?


I think the the entire Roanoke colony was abducted by aliens.
 
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I think the the entire Roanoke colony was abducted by aliens.

This is nonsense. Think the alternate history..........
When in 1584 English exploration begun colonists came to Roanoke island. If Bermuda island was taken by the English sea dogs in late 16th century, then the problem would have solved because it could provide supplies to the Roanoke colony. However, if Spanish armada never invaded or English never loose the touch of those colonies, Roanoke colony would have survived. If survived England might have chosen the woods for English navy. Colonists from Roanoke may have spread to the Chesapeake bay, Albemarle sound and Pamlico sound region to settle along these areas by founding cities and towns. The story of Pocahontas never rose.
 
To be honest, a surviving tribe descended from English settlers that's fully integrated itself into Native American society is way more interesting than a surviving Roanoke. In my opinion, etc, etc.
 
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