AHC: Renaissance somewhere else than Italy

Can we get the Renaissance to start and flourish somewhere else other than in Italy?

Spain and Portugal are obviously out of the picture but maybe the Renaissance in Germany or Low Countries would be possible?
Maybe Bagdhad isnt sacked by Mongols ? Maybe the Age of Islamic scholars maintains ?
 
My suggestion: Hungary
Hungary was more powerful than many remember around 1500, considering that even before the Habsburg takeover they were in a union with Bohemia. However, in that region, Prague rather is the intellectual powerhouse. Hungary lacks urban centres back then. In order to pull that off, they'd not only need the stability, but also a string of geniuses born and promoted by the Hungarian king or nobles...
 
Hungary was more powerful than many remember around 1500, considering that even before the Habsburg takeover they were in a union with Bohemia. However, in that region, Prague rather is the intellectual powerhouse. Hungary lacks urban centres back then. In order to pull that off, they'd not only need the stability, but also a string of geniuses born and promoted by the Hungarian king or nobles...
Hungary actually had it's own Renaissance under Matthias Corvinus, but it was cut short for obvious reasons. New urban centers were established along with a very large library (Bibliotheca Corviniana). If he can establish a proper dynasty and keep the country on the same path (they were rich and quite powerful, at one point they occupied Vienna and most of Bohemia), it could be a good alternative.
 
A good question.

The reason why the Renaissance happened in Italy was because
1. Italian city states were rich
2. They competed with each other so having the best scientistartist/philosopher residing at one's court was a boost to prestige
3. Lots of Byzantine scholars fled there

I thought the best place would be either Low Countries or Germany although France and England may have significant contributions as well. The Dutch actually had their own period of flowering of science and arts in 17th century.
Point 3 is a bit of a myth - the Renaissance has its roots on Byzantium falling, yes, but in 1204. The loot from the sack ended up invigorating classical studies in Italy, opening the way to Dante/Petrarch/Boccaccio and the Humanism of the 13th/14th centuries, the direct predecessor and root to the Renaissance.
 
Point 3 is a bit of a myth - the Renaissance has its roots on Byzantium falling, yes, but in 1204. The loot from the sack ended up invigorating classical studies in Italy, opening the way to Dante/Petrarch/Boccaccio and the Humanism of the 13th/14th centuries, the direct predecessor and root to the Renaissance.
Never heard about this, seems interesting. Where can I read more?
 
It should be. It was under Venice's control all the way down towards Ragusa / Dubrovnik.
Ragusa even had a Romance speaking Patriciate and population (with Slavs being more numerous with times) originated from Roman times. The Republic of Ragusa is very interesting. Maybe Renaissance in Ragusa with Byzantine exiles going there. So Ragusa also needs to avoid the devasting earthquakes that killed a big portion of population and whole patriciate. On the other hand Ragusa was very small. But maybe a pull factor for Renaissance knowledge ?
 
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A good question.

The reason why the Renaissance happened in Italy was because
1. Italian city states were rich
2. They competed with each other so having the best scientistartist/philosopher residing at one's court was a boost to prestige
3. Lots of Byzantine scholars fled there

I thought the best place would be either Low Countries or Germany although France and England may have significant contributions as well. The Dutch actually had their own period of flowering of science and arts in 17th century.
Might a more successful Hanseatic League have the capital to meet most of the requirements needed to conduct a northern European Renaissance stretching from Flanders to Novgarod.
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Dear Pauh the federalist,
Good point about including the Hanseatic League.
Any centre of Renaissance innovation needs a large, wealthy, merchant class with frequent visitors from foreign lands to stimulate the imagination. The Netherlands enjoyed their own Golden Age when much of trade within the Spanish Empire travelled in Dutch ships.
 
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