AHC: Recreate this Map of American Barbarossa

Sabre77

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Not sure if I’m doing this right, but here goes: during WW2, someone made a map of the US with Operation Barbarossa superimposed over it. Each area had an equivalent city— New York City as Kaunas, Louisville as Kursk, St. Louis as Stalingrad, Mobile as Odessa, etc. The challenge would be to come up with an invader/ invasion— doesn’t have to be the Nazis— which would fit the situation shown in the map in terms of cities captured and territory occupied, etc.

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Falk

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Another British invasion? Second Civil War? The question I'm pondering is how many national guard divisions will the surviving US government have to raise in order to repel this.
 

M79

Dec 1941 Barbarossa overlaid on U.S.A..png


Um, ok.

Blue for areas occupied by the Nazis but not firmly controlled - lots of guerilla activity out of these areas.
Purple for Grand Junction CO - new capital of the US (away from industry, hard for troops to reach, chokepoints for denial of access)
Orange represents Special Industrial Districts with newly (re)built industry along with massive hydropower projects and coal mining/power
Red represents German Command and Control centers, admission to each is strict but standards of living are somewhat higher for even the average serf - New York City serves as the German administrative center, Washington DC is where the puppet American government operates (actually has some influence, surprisingly), New Orleans is the vital shipping center/port, Knoxville is key for aluminum processing/industrial development as is Pittsburgh, Boston is considered key for morale as well as industry/research, and Chicago is key for many reasons.
Brown represents 'No-go' zones of German occupation, internal passports have been issued with *strict* checks, unauthorized personnel are held for questioning or if active fighting is nearby often just shot on sight.
Gray for regional centers of US control/operational HQ for Allied military units; Seattle WA (I), San Francisco CA (II), El Paso TX (III), Grand Junction CO (IV), Pierre SD (V), Kansas City KS (VI), Texarkana TX (VII), Green Bay WI (VIII), Sebring FL (IX), and Bath ME (X). Special Status areas include Johnson City, TN (Q), Kingwood WV (N), and Bay City MI (M) given the importance of Detroit and Toledo along with its semi-isolation from the rest of the fronts.

Possible backstory: Halifax offers UK peace deal with Hitler in 1940 after becoming PM, Germany invades Russia as OTL but without Lend-Lease they fall in late 1942. Japan never attacks Pearl Harbor, they instead obtain the SE Asian colonies of the former European powers as 'caretakers' under an 'international mandate' proscribed in the Treaty of Frankfurt in 1941 and again with the Treaty of Ufa in 1943, taking much of eastern Siberia and Sakhalin while relegating a puppet Russian government to the land between the Urals and Lake Baikal. German attention then turns to the UK in 1945 with a massive seaborne invasion, the Germans having brought in massive numbers of landing craft that often fail but still allow them to place several thousands of soldiers on British soil. In a costly invasion and near-perfect weather conditions for several days, the Germans manage to secure eastern Kent and capture the massive gun batteries permitting them control of the Channel on both sides for an extended period. As British families flee for Canada, spies and saboteurs are interspersed among them that also make their way to the US in significant numbers. By 1950 the situation seems somewhat abated only to find the spies and saboteurs able to detonate bridges and disrupt communications ahead of a massive Axis landing on the East Coast. Shock is the only reason the Germans are able to penetrate so far so fast followed by weapons seemingly one or two generations ahead of those used by the United States. This map represents the German highwater mark in early 1952, literally the day before the Augsberg Proposal carving out a separate German puppet out of much of the American Northeast/Mid-Atlantic region including Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the Delmarva Peninsula, Ontario, Quebec, the Canadian Maritime provinces, and reparations. This is of course rejected by President Thomas Dewey who promises not only revenge but to dictate terms in Berlin at the Chancellory itself. He will be at the table for the Potsdam Conference in 1966 shortly after the Battle of Munich collapses the bulk of the last of the Unterstadts that kept the German war machine going, the prospect of entombment and suffocation enough to warrant a final surrender by the High Command.
 
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Sabre77

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Falk said:
Another British invasion? Second Civil War? The question I'm pondering is how many national guard divisions will the surviving US government have to raise in order to repel this.
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It’s got Canada as being an area where aid is coming into the US(Quebec City= Murmansk) so unless it’s like a fascist Britain where Canada broke away I don’t quite think the Brits fill that role.

As for the second part....,presumably a lot.
 

Sabre77

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M79 said:
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Um, ok.

Blue for areas occupied by the Nazis but not firmly controlled - lots of guerilla activity out of these areas.
Purple for Grand Junction CO - new capital of the US (away from industry, hard for troops to reach, chokepoints for denial of access)
Orange represents Special Industrial Districts with newly (re)built industry along with massive hydropower projects and coal mining/power
Red represents German Command and Control centers, admission to each is strict but standards of living are somewhat higher for even the average serf - New York City serves as the German administrative center, Washington DC is where the puppet American government operates (actually has some influence, surprisingly), New Orleans is the vital shipping center/port, Knoxville is key for aluminum processing/industrial development as is Pittsburgh, Boston is considered key for morale as well as industry/research, and Chicago is key for many reasons.
Brown represents 'No-go' zones of German occupation, internal passports have been issued with *strict* checks, unauthorized personnel are held for questioning or if active fighting is nearby often just shot on sight.
Gray for regional centers of US control/operational HQ for Allied military units; Seattle WA (I), San Francisco CA (II), El Paso TX (III), Grand Junction CO (IV), Pierre SD (V), Kansas City KS (VI), Texarkana TX (VII), Green Bay WI (VIII), Sebring FL (IX), and Bath ME (X). Special Status areas include Johnson City, TN (Q), Kingwood WV (N), and Bay City MI (M) given the importance of Detroit and Toledo along with its semi-isolation from the rest of the fronts.

Possible backstory: Halifax offers UK peace deal with Hitler in 1940 after becoming PM, Germany invades Russia as OTL but without Lend-Lease they fall in late 1942. Japan never attacks Pearl Harbor, they instead obtain the SE Asian colonies of the former European powers as 'caretakers' under an 'international mandate' proscribed in the Treaty of Frankfurt in 1941 and again with the Treaty of Ufa in 1943, taking much of eastern Siberia and Sakhalin while relegating a puppet Russian government to the land between the Urals and Lake Baikal. German attention then turns to the UK in 1945 with a massive seaborne invasion, the Germans having brought in massive numbers of landing craft that often fail but still allow them to place several thousands of soldiers on British soil. In a costly invasion and near-perfect weather conditions for several days, the Germans manage to secure eastern Kent and capture the massive gun batteries permitting them control of the Channel on both sides for an extended period. As British families flee for Canada, spies and saboteurs are interspersed among them that also make their way to the US in significant numbers. By 1950 the situation seems somewhat abated only to find the spies and saboteurs able to detonate bridges and disrupt communications ahead of a massive Axis landing on the East Coast. Shock is the only reason the Germans are able to penetrate so far so fast followed by weapons seemingly one or two generations ahead of those used by the United States. This map represents the German highwater mark in early 1952, literally the day before the Augsberg Proposal carving out a separate German puppet out of much of the American Northeast/Mid-Atlantic region including Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the Delmarva Peninsula, Ontario, Quebec, the Canadian Maritime provinces, and reparations. This is of course rejected by President Thomas Dewey who promises not only revenge but to dictate terms in Berlin at the Chancellory itself. He will be at the table for the Potsdam Conference in 1966 shortly after the Battle of Munich collapses the bulk of the last of the Unterstadts that kept the German war machine going, the prospect of entombment and suffocation enough to warrant a final surrender by the High Command.
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Very cool👍
 

M79

More possible backstory: Given that the HK G3 was in fact derived from a late WWII Mauser battle rifle I would think it would be developed here as the StG 47 with a TKB-408 or similar (maybe even OTL AK47?) as a newer StG 50. Allied forces are still using Garands for the most part though the M1a is an increasingly popular variant that uses 20-round BAR magazines. Top-end propeller fighters are popular with the Allies for ease of manufacture though their performance is literally maxing out, the F8F-6 patrols the skies alongside the A-1 Skyraider and the Boeing F9F with its 3000 HP engine, a competitor to the "Bearcat" accepted by the Navy and Marines for impressive range, is still having trouble matching the ceiling of the newer German fighters like the Messerschmitt P.1101 and Horten Ho 265 (a Ho 229 with two BMW 018 engines instead of the original Jumo 004s). V-101 IRBMs put almost anywhere in the continental US in range of their westernmost holdings but because of guerilla activity they are having to be imported from Europe even as the A11 and pending A12 allow for crude satellites and even manned sub-orbital reconnaissance by the Germans. Type XXI U-boats patrol the Atlantic alongside the newer Type XXIX and more recently the larger Type XXXIV U-boats and German 'S-class' 'light cruisers', mass produced from modular components and essentially heavy destroyers with larger guns, face off against American modular Albacore-class submarines with near-duplicate Long Lance torpedoes courtesy of Richard Sorge and his 'assistance' to the Allies after the fall of Moscow. On land the modularity of the M4 was mated with the ease of manufacture of the T-34 with a main gun upgraded to 105mm, the new M28 'Washington' not only permits five burnt out tanks to often yield two or three functional ones, it allows modularity of parts with M4 and M6a variants. German tanks changed with the Entwicklung program, making their tanks very modular though often with fewer exchangeable parts than predicted due to the number of subcontractors and political favor-trading involved in the project. While the abundance of resources and capacities means the Germans are much more mechanized than even 15 years ago, the American rationing system and brutal treatment of occupied territories has united the populace in ways never thought possible before. Perhaps most surprisingly, the Empire of Japan has not invaded the West Coast or Hawaii but is covertly supporting the Allies in exchange for hard capital, recognition of its territory, and mostly to balance the power out with the Germans - Japan is very much aware that if Germany can beat the whole of North America that it will likely be the next target either the day after, the year after, or sometime in the future. Transistors are known to the Americans and will play a key role in the offensive to come while Germany will get them within a year, though by then the front will be stable much farther east. Germany will acquire nuclear weapons before its forces are entirely removed from the Western Hemisphere in coming years but the Allies already have them, restricting them for fear the Germans not only have them but potentially the missiles to launch them at every major city around the world not under their control. A literal Space Race will be underway as Goddard was finally taken seriously in his dying days given reports of the V-2 and V-101, the 'Lieutenant' and 'Captain' rockets are narrowing the rocket gap while the 'bomber gap' has the massive German Ho XXVI long-range bomber and its eight HeS 031 engines as well as the very long range Ju501 'Bear' with its eight counter-rotating propellors powered by J12 turboprop engines against the Allied B-52 with its six massive Lycoming XR-7755 engines which can raid any German base in North America and even some European bases from New England.

Technology in this TL is advancing more quickly in some ways but not in others with older prejudices set aside, especially in the South, as German atrocities seem to ignore skin color despite preaching otherwise. Save the quislings (especially those advocating for a separate Southern nation), any American in the Occupied Territories is subject to search, seizure, internment, and none have civil rights of any kind. This has softened attitudes about civil rights for all and the post-war United States will be a very different nation in some ways than OTL. Most civilians live under strict rationing and do so fairly happily given the alternative while Europe has largely rebuilt, Germany has not seen an enemy bomber over its skies in almost a decade following the last of the large-scale Lancaster raids in August 1945, even small-scale raids ended with the fall of Belfast in early 1946. British forces in Canada and elsewhere are itching to free their homeland starting with Operation Sealion (they are not aware of the irony), proposed to invade first Ireland then Britannia proper, followed by a massive buildup and launch into Europe itself.
 
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