AHC: Queen Victoria marrying an indigenous ruler

Why not get married to a First Nations chief from Canada. Might go over a little better than marrying a Zulu, and the chef might have been part white which would make things easier.
 
Japanese nobility/royalty would probably be the best bet, or a very anglicised Indian. I can't see anything else being even remotely possible.

Abyssinia, as a long shot?
Mybe a Punjab Prince? Besides, I thought the religious rules were only limited to Catholics, so Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs would technically not be counted. Maybe we'd see a practicing Sikh ruler who is head of the church? Or would we see the gradual disestablishment of church and state?
 
Mybe a Punjab Prince? Besides, I thought the religious rules were only limited to Catholics, so Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs would technically not be counted. Maybe we'd see a practicing Sikh ruler who is head of the church? Or would we see the gradual disestablishment of church and state?
Very funny but the idea of Victoria marrying a native is already so unlikely that to say that there not a christian either just puts it beyond the pale. The monarchy would be toppled long before she could pull it off.
 
You did occasionally get, for example, East India Company officers marrying Indian princesses (albiet in the 18th century-ideas had changed by the 19th), so this isn't completely impossible (just like 2011, Year of the ASB, isn't completely impossible), just farcically unlikely.
 
Well, given Victoria's infatuation with all things Indian after she became Empress of India and that chap Abdul Karim she was said to have a thing for (John Brown having died), who knows what could have happened?
 
She should marry Emperor Norton of California.

I do not believe he was interested, considering that he suggested in a letter to Lincoln that the two of them should marry. I imagine Mr. Norton was not aware that both were currently taken. Anywho, the wealthy were extremely interested in the East back then. Maybe one of them could be a consort of hers if it became a bit more normal in the past and if they have a brand of Christianity deemed fashionable enough. Still, we should remember that Albert and Victoria married for love. Despite Victoria swooming for one of th ePrime Ministers and Napoleon III and her platonic relations with her Scottish and Indian secretaries (after her previous secretary, Albert, passed away), I can not imagine her attempting to marry a non-European without feeling strongly for them.
 
If an East India Company officer of sufficiently noble birth married an Indian Princess a couple generations earlier, their child married another white of high birth, and the son of that union became a prince of an important state, and was raised Anglican and remained so, I could see it.
 
Why would this be so far fetched. Queen Victoria's grandmother Queen Charlotte was mixed race with a dark complexion and her coronation anthem emphasied her African Heritage. Our current Queen's coronation (QE2) also acknowledged African and Asian heritages from the past. Google British Black History Month were Queen Charlotte (wife of George 3rd) was in the top 5 and during her reign slavery was abolished in the UK and the 1st black sports superstars emerged (black British boxing champions inc. heavyweight) and the first Indian restaurant opened in London.

So why shouldn't Queen Victoria marry an African, she already had at least 1/8 African genes. In that time frame a person would have a fully white appearance. At the England - Ghana football friendly at Wembley earlier this year they celebrated the life of the first black professional footballer in the world who played for Preston North End in the 1880's. He was Ghanaian and they introduced his Great Grandaughter who was very white and blonde haired:).

Not ASB at all especially for Victoria to marry again after Alberts's death especially an Indian, who after all even then were regarded as caucasian as the Indo European language link had already been established,
 
Why would this be so far fetched. Queen Victoria's grandmother Queen Charlotte was mixed race with a dark complexion and her coronation anthem emphasied her African Heritage. Our current Queen's coronation (QE2) also acknowledged African and Asian heritages from the past. Google British Black History Month were Queen Charlotte (wife of George 3rd) was in the top 5 and during her reign slavery was abolished in the UK and the 1st black sports superstars emerged (black British boxing champions inc. heavyweight) and the first Indian restaurant opened in London.

So why shouldn't Queen Victoria marry an African, she already had at least 1/8 African genes. In that time frame a person would have a fully white appearance. At the England - Ghana football friendly at Wembley earlier this year they celebrated the life of the first black professional footballer in the world who played for Preston North End in the 1880's. He was Ghanaian and they introduced his Great Grandaughter who was very white and blonde haired:).

Not ASB at all especially for Victoria to marry again after Alberts's death especially an Indian, who after all even then were regarded as caucasian as the Indo European language link had already been established,

She had a bit of Moorish blood, that doesn't really make her African.
 
Why would this be so far fetched. Queen Victoria's grandmother Queen Charlotte was mixed race with a dark complexion and her coronation anthem emphasied her African Heritage. Our current Queen's coronation (QE2) also acknowledged African and Asian heritages from the past. Google British Black History Month were Queen Charlotte (wife of George 3rd) was in the top 5 and during her reign slavery was abolished in the UK and the 1st black sports superstars emerged (black British boxing champions inc. heavyweight) and the first Indian restaurant opened in London.

So why shouldn't Queen Victoria marry an African, she already had at least 1/8 African genes. In that time frame a person would have a fully white appearance. At the England - Ghana football friendly at Wembley earlier this year they celebrated the life of the first black professional footballer in the world who played for Preston North End in the 1880's. He was Ghanaian and they introduced his Great Grandaughter who was very white and blonde haired:).

Not ASB at all especially for Victoria to marry again after Alberts's death especially an Indian, who after all even then were regarded as caucasian as the Indo European language link had already been established,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Charlotte

Any African link through Queen Charlotte was at best very distant, if one actually existed at all - so no, Queen Victoria wasn't 1/8th African.
 
Well, given Victoria's infatuation with all things Indian after she became Empress of India and that chap Abdul Karim she was said to have a thing for (John Brown having died), who knows what could have happened?

Except that the presence of Munshi in the Royal Household was vehemently contested, to the point that it bordered on open racism. The idea ]of Queen Victoria marrying a member of one of the British Empire's indigenous races is completely ASB. It simply would not have been allowed to happen.
 
If an East India Company officer of sufficiently noble birth married an Indian Princess a couple generations earlier, their child married another white of high birth, and the son of that union became a prince of an important state, and was raised Anglican and remained so, I could see it.

This is almost plausible.

We should bear in mind that among the Spanish aristocracy, a large number of families have the blood of the royal Aztecs flowing through their veins, while certain British aristocratic families have African blood coming from Alexander Pushkin. The Earl of Liverpool, who served as Prime Minister in Victoria's lifetime, had Indian ancestry, and our own royal family most likely has Moorish, however diluted (not mentioning Charlotte-Sophia's supposed black blood).

So it isn't impossible to get Victoria to marry someone with non-European ancestors: if they looked white enough, and said ancestry was remote enough, it simply wouldn't have been a major issue. The idea that you can pair Vicky off with Cetshwayo or one of the Ottoman sultans is, however, wayyyyyy out of the question.

It's interesting to suppose, though: imagining that the queen married someone of comparative ethnic background to the Earl of Liverpool - say, one-sixteenth Indian. We'll make this person the prince of a minor German state whose ancestors in the fifth generation include a high ranking BEIC officer who paired off with a princess of the Mughal royal family.

This is enough non-white ancestry for it to be noted, compounded with enough social status or strategic importance for it to be disregarded as a salient factor in the Queen's choice of spouse.

Suddenly, the concept of racial heirarchy becomes much more difficult to justify among the emergent eugenics movement.
"Well, the king is an Indian!" retort early critics of racial ideologies: a retort which, in a severely class-driven society is pretty powerful. The early eugenics movement has to undertake a complete rethink of the concepts of racial heirarchy and purity. Maybe Indians get re-classified as much closer to Europeans, if not equal. It would be the same sort of scenario which saw re-writing of the 'one-drop' laws of Virginia to accommodate the powerful, aristocratic descendants of Pochahantas who might otherwise have found themselves herded onto reservations.

Possibly, if the fact is not hidden, all things Indian will find a new degree of social acceptability. In future generations, the royal family might end up stressing it's aristocratic Indian descent (however remote) as a
legitimising factor in the continued governance of India.
Alternatively, the now-Prince Consort's ancestry will be hushed up and simply not spoken about.
 
Didn't she marry an indigenous German?

Well she was from a German dynasty and personally still quite German and British, at least with her family German wasn't foreign (only WWI really changed that). However indigenous as in outside Europe, is given the European attitude of the time almost ASB.
 
I agree it would be very hard. However it is worth saying that Victoria herself was a LOT less racist than most people around her.

I guess you need a situation where the Crown is stronger and racism is weaker.
 
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