AHC: Putin reintroduces the Russian Empire

So, what if, current president of Russia Vladimir V. Putin decided in 2008 that he will, after his second term as president expired, change the Constitution of Russia and turn Russia into a Empire again? ( Of course- a parliamentary monarchy of British type- but without reserve powers ).

Let's say that he becomes the PM and invites somebody of Romanov's back. ( Who? Maria Vladimirovna or Dmitri Romanov? ) I presume Maria Vladimirovna- bacause she is recognised as Heir of Romanovs by Russian Orthodox Church, is younger and has issue.

He had supermajority in both the Duma and Federal Council, so I think that he technically could pull this. A major reason why to do that is because as a Prime Minister he could remain in power as long as he has the majority in Duma.

What do you think? Could he do that- ASB-territory or not? And if he has done that- what would be the consequences?
 
I feel he would be removed in a coup almost immediately. From what I can tell, the Russian people do not miss the Monarchy and honestly if Russia became an Empire again,there could at best be large scale protests.

Also,this might hurt Russia's foreign relations and economy due to the implications that he might also be trying to retake,at the very least,countries that were apart of the USSR that are now independent.
 
Obviously, Russia would state that she has no claims of former territories of Empire.

About the protests, I agreed that members of the Communist Party of RF would protest, but I think that Putin's clout is big enought that the most of Russians would not join...
 
Obviously, Russia would state that she has no claims of former territories of Empire.

About the protests, I agreed that members of the Communist Party of RF would protest, but I think that Putin's clout is big enought that the most of Russians would not join...

I'm sorry, but no. Putin may be very popular with the Russian people, but there are limits to how far they'll allow him to go.
 
Why would Putin do this? It means, for one thing, that he wouldn't be able to pull his switcheroo trick with Mendvedev any more.
 
In 2008, no. Closer to now, like 2014 or 2015 yes. He has the loyalty and fear of the Russian people.

I think if he did it quick enough he could restore the Tsardom.

Now several problems will come from that, first you will have Communist opposition, Russia will quickly hunt them down, censor all alternative media in Russia, and massively boost police and military numbers. If Putin did it fast enough he could rule Russia through fear, propaganda, and intense nationalism similar to Stalin's Russia but no were near as brutal...well hopefully not.

Oh and obviously the International community would hate Russia even more then they do now. More sanctions, more anti-Russian news ect.
 
In 2008, no. Closer to now, like 2014 or 2015 yes. He has the loyalty and fear of the Russian people.

I think if he did it quick enough he could restore the Tsardom.

Now several problems will come from that, first you will have Communist opposition, Russia will quickly hunt them down, censor all alternative media in Russia, and massively boost police and military numbers. If Putin did it fast enough he could rule Russia through fear, propaganda, and intense nationalism similar to Stalin's Russia but no were near as brutal...well hopefully not.

Oh and obviously the International community would hate Russia even more then they do now. More sanctions, more anti-Russian news ect.

I don't think the Russian people would let Putin do something that crazy. Expanding borders is one thing,but there are few Russians who remember the days of the Monarchy well.

Also,I think Putin himself is probably Anti-Monarchist,if anything I think this could at best be out of character even for him.
 
Why would Putin do this? It means, for one thing, that he wouldn't be able to pull his switcheroo trick with Mendvedev any more.


He wouldn't have to pull that trick any more, he can be the Prime Minister as long as his party has the majority in Duma ( that shouldn't be too difficult to set ).
 
And that's without any official endorsment from Putin and his party...

For one thing,the poll that rt mentions only says 28% want the Monarchy back and claims the vast majority of Russians would prefer it stay in the past. I think 67% at the very least would be enough to convince Putin that he shouldn't restore the Monarchy.

For the last article,it seems like the Royal Family wants nothing to do with Politics. They either seem to want a situation equivalent to Britain or just to own land they lost due to the Russian Revolution.
 
If I may para-phrase STRATFOR: most empires are ruled by politicized secret police. For example, the Tzar's secret police ruled Russia for centuries, then the Communist KGB and most recently Mr. Poutine's um ..... er ... you know .....

One mission of secret police is to train the next generation of leaders and help them into power.
While Mr. Poutine may be popular with loyalist Russians, Mr. Poutine's demise will not substantially charge the direction of Russian politics.
If Mr. Poutine dies, Russian secret police will merely replace him with another secret policeman.
If the second secret policeman proves embarrassing, he might be replaced by the next pretender to the Tsar's crown.

Whatever secret police decide is best for Mother Russia.
 
Well Putin is a bachelor now...
Maybe he can marry into the Romanov Family, via a cadet branch (Or possibly Grand Duchess Maria herself) and name himself emperor? x'D

Seriously though, I'd paid to see that kind of fuckery take place.
 
For one thing,the poll that rt mentions only says 28% want the Monarchy back and claims the vast majority of Russians would prefer it stay in the past. I think 67% at the very least would be enough to convince Putin that he shouldn't restore the Monarchy.

For the last article,it seems like the Royal Family wants nothing to do with Politics. They either seem to want a situation equivalent to Britain or just to own land they lost due to the Russian Revolution.


Agreed. But, that's 28% FOR, without any Putin's endorsement of the idea. Now imagine how bih that number can be if he support's it. I would say over 50%...

About politics, well, you don't really think that Putin would allowed them to have anything to do with politics? He allowed them to become Czars again, their part of the bargain is to stay away from politics and allways support their Prime Minister Putin.
 
There is naturally not a big % of people who would be willing to completely change their opinion on something (let alone something so crucial) just because Putin endorsed it. Putin got to rule Russia and keep ruling it because he's playing the game - patterning his image and (visible) policies to fit within the public's ideas and notions; not by trying to forcibly overwrite and overrule the public.

I'm not sure he could do it, and even if he could and wanted to, he'd probably blow all of his political capital in the process.
 
In the jokes that have come up, plausibility aside if Putin declares himself Emperor, he's gonna end up like most dictators anyway a state that won't last past his rule. Tsar Paul hated his mother Catherine the Great and changed the succession laws to be agnatic, Putin has only daughters, unless he can produce a son, it would be a very futile and comedic gesture. Restoring the Romanov's would probably work as well, although getting that to work would require a really difficult POD with a large butterfly net.
 
I feel he would be removed in a coup almost immediately. From what I can tell, the Russian people do not miss the Monarchy and honestly if Russia became an Empire again,there could at best be large scale protests.

Also,this might hurt Russia's foreign relations and economy due to the implications that he might also be trying to retake,at the very least,countries that were apart of the USSR that are now independent.
Agreed, it would be a silly move for him and Putin isn't stupid.
 
For example, the Tzar's secret police ruled Russia for centuries
While Russia does have an extremely strong tradition fo secret police, that seems to be a somewhat inaccurate statement.

I mean, Third Section was like 12 guys sharing an office. And they sucked at their job.
 
Mr. Poutine will cuddle up to anyone who will help him stay in power.
If Mr. Poutine can cuddle up to the Russian Orthodox Church, he can cuddle up to anyone - even the former Russian Royal Family.


Mr. GlobalHumanism,
Did you just offer to pay to watch pornography involving a member of the former Russian Royal Family?
Hah!
Hah!
How much are you willing to pay?
How would Mr. Poutine pocket his share of the profits?
 
Mr. GlobalHumanism,
Did you just offer to pay to watch pornography involving a member of the former Russian Royal Family?
Hah!
Hah!
How much are you willing to pay?
How would Mr. Poutine pocket his share of the profits?

What does GlobalHumanism have to do with this?o_O
 
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