AHC: Put the Stuarts on the throne of France

The challenge is that while they are in exile they manage to successfully become rulers of France while still keeping their claim to Great Britain.
 
Somehow I kind of like the idea of the kings of England calling themselves king of France, while at the same time the kings of France calling themselves king of England.
 
Incredibly unlikely. Royal matrimonial unions are made on diplomatic grounds, when it's worth it to cement a peace treaty, alliance, etc.

A bunch of desilusioned exiled is certainly not marriage matter.
 
Not technically possible, because the Stuarts weren't Capetian. Maybe in an Alt-French Revolution, some descendant of Charles Edward Stuart pulls a Bonaparte, or maybe Charles Emmanuel III dies childless, meaning that Louis XVIII becomes the Jacobite claimant in 1807 (this might cause friction, since he arrived in Britain exile in November of that year). Or maybe Victor Emmanuel I has no issue and the Comte d'Angouleme briefly fulfills the OP in 1830. Otherwise, nah.
 
Not technically possible, because the Stuarts weren't Capetian. Maybe in an Alt-French Revolution, some descendant of Charles Edward Stuart pulls a Bonaparte, or maybe Charles Emmanuel III dies childless, meaning that Louis XVIII becomes the Jacobite claimant in 1807 (this might cause friction, since he arrived in Britain exile in November of that year). Or maybe Victor Emmanuel I has no issue and the Comte d'Angouleme briefly fulfills the OP in 1830. Otherwise, nah.

Oh yeah. Forgot about that Salic stuff. I guess it'd be possible a female Stuart marries into the Capetians and retains the claim on England. Theoretically.
 
What if you get a Victoria-esqe figure as Queen of France, who falls hard for a dashing young Stuart?

Or did France have an agnatic succession law?
 
Or did France have an agnatic succession law?

It did. Fundamental laws of the kingdom, something closest from a constitution at this point, satues that on the royal title.
It's inherited, goes to the elder son or the closest male relative, women can't neither inherit or transmit inheritance, only to catholics, and never to a foreign prince.
 
I guess that makes this impossible through legal means then.

Closest you can probably get is the last dynastic female heir of the Stuarts marrying into the French royal lineage. It wouldn't be the Stuarts on the throne, but they would inherit the titles.
 
One thought: if a king bears only daughters, but one of the daughters has a male son before the king's death, would that son not inherit?
 
King marries, has one son, marriage gets annulled, ex-queen marries someone else, has another son, son A inherits but dies before having children - brother inherits because of relation to son A despite lack of relation to original king?

Obviously now we're just having fun with succession law instead of discussing anything plausible. :p
 
King marries, has one son, marriage gets annulled, ex-queen marries someone else, has another son, son A inherits but dies before having children - brother inherits because of relation to son A despite lack of relation to original king?

Obviously now we're just having fun with succession law instead of discussing anything plausible. :p

Nah, not after the Migration Period. In a post-tribal monarchy, kingship is transmitted through 'blood royal' rather than personal suitability or connection to the King. If the mother in this case isn't already the heiress, Son B doesn't get squat - cf Owen Tudor, for instance. He might be given land and titles, but he isn't in the line of succession. The only kind-of exception to this I can think of is Eugene de Beauharnais, Napoleon's stepson, who was given some little Grand Duchy in Germany, so he technically gained sovereignty over a small part of his step-father's Empire. But nah.
 
So related question; How do you get France to Semi-Salic Law? This will most likely require a PoD before the Hundred Years War since France's entire legal justification for defending themselves from England in that war rested on their strictly Salic Law.
 
Oh yeah. Forgot about that Salic stuff. I guess it'd be possible a female Stuart marries into the Capetians and retains the claim on England. Theoretically.

Louisa-Maria-Teresa-Stuart, Princess over the Water, daughter of James II and Mary of Modena and sister of the Old Pretender died in OTL in 1712 at 19. It could easily have been her brother (who was also sick but pulled through) who died instead. Say Louisa survives and is already married to Charles, Duke of Berri (Louis XIV's third grandson) and has issue. The French Royal Family thus becomes heir to the Jacobite line. If Berri survives (and is not thrown from his horse which could be easily butterflied away if he marries Louisa since he could be doing something else that day) and young Louis XV dies (which was always a possibility), a surviving Berri becomes Charles X. If he has a son the throne of France is now occupied by the Jacobite Pretender with real French military might behind him.
 
So related question; How do you get France to Semi-Salic Law? This will most likely require a PoD before the Hundred Years War since France's entire legal justification for defending themselves from England in that war rested on their strictly Salic Law.

Actually, no.
You confuse Salic Law with fudamental laws of the kingdom. The latter was made by medieval jurists that extrapolated from Salic Law the impossibity of transmission.

They did so, because they didn't wanted either a foreign prince, that Valois was clearly more popular, and that (with the re-introduction of roman written law) inheritance by woman looked like hard to plug with legal principles. It's kinda hard to get rid without major modifications (as in no HYW or Stuarts, of course)
 
Louisa-Maria-Teresa-Stuart, Princess over the Water, daughter of James II and Mary of Modena and sister of the Old Pretender died in OTL in 1712 at 19. It could easily have been her brother (who was also sick but pulled through) who died instead. Say Louisa survives and is already married to Charles, Duke of Berri (Louis XIV's third grandson) and has issue. The French Royal Family thus becomes heir to the Jacobite line. If Berri survives (and is not thrown from his horse which could be easily butterflied away if he marries Louisa since he could be doing something else that day) and young Louis XV dies (which was always a possibility), a surviving Berri becomes Charles X. If he has a son the throne of France is now occupied by the Jacobite Pretender with real French military might behind him.

Actually there is an even easier way of doing this. According to the legitimate line of succession in 1714, Louis XV would be 4th in line, after his grandmother the Queen of Sardinia and uncles Princes Vittorio and Carlo Emanuele. Have Anne Marie d'Orleans die before she produces her sons, and have James III & VIII die with his sister in 1712. That transfers the Jacobite claims to the House of Bourbon.
 

Dirk_Pitt

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This is easy* Get a Stuart popular with the French people, said Stuart leads a revolt against an unpopular French King, that Stuart becomes King of France with a claim on the Kingdom of England. Done!


*'Bout as easy as using the Empire State Building as a butt plug, though...
 
Kind of on topic: in every euiv game I've played the Stuarts somehow end up kings of France rather than England.

Back to the real world:yeah this is pretty much not possible.
 
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