AHC: Prussian Belgium
- Thread starter Will Kürlich Kerl
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Only two ways I can think of doing this:
1. Have the Netherlands, in the fight against Spain, become a Kingdom under a surviving William I 'the Silent' who managed to take all of the Spanish Netherlands, and an accidental personal union with Prussia eventually leads to a political union... Now of course that would include the Netherlands, which you might not be looking for, but it would fit your criteria of having the area of 'Belgium' as 'Prussian' - or at least unified with Prussia.
2. Have a personal union between Prussia and Belgium in the 19th Century, though I doubt this would happen as Britain and France would be totally against it.
1. Have the Netherlands, in the fight against Spain, become a Kingdom under a surviving William I 'the Silent' who managed to take all of the Spanish Netherlands, and an accidental personal union with Prussia eventually leads to a political union... Now of course that would include the Netherlands, which you might not be looking for, but it would fit your criteria of having the area of 'Belgium' as 'Prussian' - or at least unified with Prussia.
2. Have a personal union between Prussia and Belgium in the 19th Century, though I doubt this would happen as Britain and France would be totally against it.
I really doubt it to happen in the 19th century. Prussia by then was a great power, and Belgium is a big prize - the bigger the later in the century thanks to industrialization.
If the Prussians have a claim to it before that'll be different though. A Prussia-Dutch dynastic union will however not automatically include Belgium, which was a Hapsburg belonging. Getting it at the congress of Vienna would be a huge thing - and likely imply that the center of the Prussian-Dutch state is Amsterdam rather than Berlin.
Well the German Empire was basically just Uber-Prussia anyway, it's out of the bext but it's still technically Prussia.
Will Kürlich Kerl
Banned
True, but the German Empire was officially the German Empire, not Prussia. Besides, there is a reason why this thread is in Before 1900 and not After 1900.
Wanted to try something different. Plausibility may be lacking.
Prussia loses the Seven Years War and is stripped of Silesia, parts of East Prussia and other areas. Frederick William is forced to marry an Austrian princess and go to Vienna as a 'guest'. When Freddy the Great dies, the Frederick William becomes King of Prussia, but dies soon into his reign. He is replaced by his son, Frederick Francis I, who identifies as a Habsburg. During this period, all of Maria Theresa's sons die due to various causes. This leaves Frederick Francis as the ruler of both Prussia and Austria.
France, Russia and some others, unhappy with all of central Europe being Habsburg ruled, start a war against them, resulting in a split of the Habsburg Empire. Prussia and the Austrian Netherlands form Prussia, Frederick Francis retains control of the lands previously Austrian.
Prussia loses the Seven Years War and is stripped of Silesia, parts of East Prussia and other areas. Frederick William is forced to marry an Austrian princess and go to Vienna as a 'guest'. When Freddy the Great dies, the Frederick William becomes King of Prussia, but dies soon into his reign. He is replaced by his son, Frederick Francis I, who identifies as a Habsburg. During this period, all of Maria Theresa's sons die due to various causes. This leaves Frederick Francis as the ruler of both Prussia and Austria.
France, Russia and some others, unhappy with all of central Europe being Habsburg ruled, start a war against them, resulting in a split of the Habsburg Empire. Prussia and the Austrian Netherlands form Prussia, Frederick Francis retains control of the lands previously Austrian.
I made a similar thread a while back that might be of help. Go check it out.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=180416
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=180416
Going with some ideas from that other thread, it'd certainly help if Tallyerand wasn't in the Vienna Congress, so smaller countries - such as the Netherlands - didn't get such good deals.
Perhaps if Prussia gave up Posen to Russia, and didn't annex Saxon land, then they could annex 'Belgium'? The only problem being that I'm unsure if Prussia would be willing to not annex Saxon land, but it could certainly happen, especially as control over a portion of the River Meuse will be given to Prussia.
Perhaps if Prussia gave up Posen to Russia, and didn't annex Saxon land, then they could annex 'Belgium'? The only problem being that I'm unsure if Prussia would be willing to not annex Saxon land, but it could certainly happen, especially as control over a portion of the River Meuse will be given to Prussia.
No you can't. At this point in time it was already decided that the Netherlands would gain Belgium. Only the eastern border wasn't decided yet (so Prussian Luxemburg was ok, but not all of Belgium).
You could start with this:
That map pops up every know at then. Note though that it explicitly says that Belgium here is "under Prussian administration", not Prussian. Similarly, Saxony is merely "under Russian administration". It's before the congress settled things, somebody needs to be in command.
Yes. It was decided in (I think) the treaty of London, which was before Vienna. There it was decided that the Netherlands would gain the Southern Netherlands and Willem would become king of the United Netherlands. The eastern borders though were decided at Vienna. Here for example Willem's plan for the Dutch Rhineland was rejected and it was decided that Luxemburg, would become part of the German Confederation (as Prussia wanted Luxemburg too).It was decided before the congress of vienna
Sounds as if King Willem got himself into trouble by biting off more than he could chew.
Had he ceded Luxemburg and Belgium east of the Meuse to Prussia, the remaining part of Belgium would probably have been small enough for the Netherlands to keep control of it in 1830. Prussia, I'm sure, would have had no trouble controlling its extra territory.
Anderman
Donor
But the treaty of London is a only between the brits and the later netherlands. The later Belgium belongs to Austria and is under occupation/administration of Prussia.
So if Prussia didn´t get other areas for their lost polnish lands maybe they get Belgium.
It was not the treaty of London. It was this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Articles_of_London
