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It certainly wasn't a ethnic thing though: the rest of the USSR also suffered famine. Ukraine suffered the worst mainly because it was the major agricultural region of the USSR and thus was subjected to the most draconian demands from the project and consequently saw the most resistance to the project (and hence, the most retaliation from the Soviet authorities). If the Holodomor was targeted it was foremost targeted at a class... namely, the peasantry
Agree. Ukrainians lived on richest farmland in USSR, had richest peasants, and thus they were disproportionally target of Soviet policy of de-kulakisation.
 
Given that holodomor is a politically loaded term for an historical process that exceeds the terms ideological cretinism: make post war right wing nationalist Ukrainian discourses disconnected from the young genocide discourses. Maybe congress of captive nations buys less into genocide in its early days.

To prevent the 1932 soviet famine: have bounty years in the late twenties that delays the creation of the Ural Siberian method leading to a greater petits bourgeois / feudal trading network survival so when the 1932 famine hits there is logistic resilience when the CC sent sufficient food aid to the capitals to stop starvation. The logistic systems of peasant economies being intact the famine is prevented. Of course this emiserates a mass of peasants which is later claimed to be cultural genocide.

Yours,
Sam R.
 

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There is a hilarious footnote in that story. Stalin, unsurprisingly, tried to use propaganda to portray Americans as suffering under a capitalist heel. To that end, he played the movie "Grapes of Wrath" in Russian theaters. To Americans, the farmers in that movie suffered greatly, but to Soviet citizens who had to wait in line just for bread, they were amazed that even the poorest Americans had things like cars.

It's one of those stories about how America, even in its lowest points, still shined above its ideological foes in the 20th century. Quote

Never heard about that, that Stalin used the movie The Grapes Of Wrath as anti-American propaganda!
 
"other slavs?" You do realize that even though he ultimately embraced Russian chauvinism, Stalin was Georgian, right? Never seen any serious evidence that Stalin was prejudiced against Slavs in general and Ukrainians in particular though. Plenty of claims, like the one you cited in the post, but not much evidence that isn't circumstantial...

Stalin, I think was a Russophile, hence his name change.
 
Given that the scholarly articles published in the west based on archival research show the politbureau attempted to provide adequate famine relief as soon as aware and that this relief failed due to the politicially deliberate destruction of peasant reserves and trading systems the opinion that the famine was "deliberate" is shown false. Whether the polit bureau or the Soviet society generally should be held culpable is another question, one I'd answer "yes," but it was not an intentional effort to destroy a population group and Lemkins hysteric ponying for attention did nothing other than to reduce the value of his contributions.

We can prevent the famine by delaying the scissors crises and thus the urban proletarian reaction against the labour minimising rural proletarians and peasants.

Or we can disinvest the connection in intellectual history between Lemkin and Ukrainian ultra rights.

Or we can do both. Delaying collectivisation or voluntarising it means a Ukraine less amenable to ultra right politics 19441-1944.

Yours,
Sam R.
 
Although I consider myself relatively pro-Soviet, I must say that this is fucking shame (I usually do not mater) - people simply took their bread by force to sell it to the imperialists.
 
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