AHC: Prevent 9/11 From Happening

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by UCB79, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:40 PM.

  1. UCB79 Bookworm, 1st class

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    NOTE: If someone else has earlier posted a
    similar thread, then disregard this one. If
    not- on the 18th anniversary...

    Again, is this possible? If so, how? In retros-
    pect(which of course is always 20/20)there
    are many clues. But as re 9/11- as was also the case with Pearl Harbor exactly 70 years earlier-there was so much “noise”, so much else going on, that it seems to have been most difficult for the intelligence com-
    minity, &/or high-ranking officials, to figure
    out what was going to happen until it actually did. OK- thoughts people!
     
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  2. Nephi Well-Known Member

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    Let the Soviets have Afghanistan.
     
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  3. UCB79 Bookworm, 1st class

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    I’m not sure I understand you Nephi. Are you saying divert the terrorists(somehow)to
    Moscow?
     
  4. Resurgam Teacher and Writer of Things

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    Prevent the US from being so close to Israel, as well as having military bases in Saudi Arabia (these are two "reasons" UBL himself gave repeatedly). Having radical Islam being less appealing to those groups the hijackers would come from would also help. Of course, those butterflies are gonna wipe away a lot more than 9/11.
     
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  5. Resurgam Teacher and Writer of Things

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    It seems the OP wanted a more immediate POD...

    Having the CIA and FBI more willing to work together would help. OTL they wouldn't have uncovered the plot if they had a few more weeks, closer cooperation might have made the difference.
     
  6. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Because Bin Laden was part of Abdulla Azzam's Mujahedeen and fought against the Soviets, before founding al-Qaida.
     
  7. Nephi Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm saying never create them to begin with, no us involvement at all, maybe the two powers even come to some agreement.

    And Afghanistan is set up with a communist government, the Soviets stamp out the insurgents and terrorist, because didn't they invade for similar reasons?

    And the US gets something else in exchange for letting them do this.
     
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  8. Stenz Don't judge the past by the standards of today... Monthly Donor

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    Watching The Looming Tower, that would definitely seem to be the case. The intelligence community knew of UBL, knew he was a threat, but inter-agency competition and mistrust seems to have derailed any chance of stopping him early.
     
  9. UCB79 Bookworm, 1st class

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    So *sigh* what else is new?
     
  10. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    (A) Unfortunately, you can't stop everyone, and (B) this is what happens when you have 590347695769057656 different alphabet soup agencies.
     
  11. History Learner Well-Known Member

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    It's been claimed that there was a serious opening to remove the Taliban in 1997:
     
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  12. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think you stop the US from being close to Israel without royally fucking with the Middle East. For one, if Israel exists in its OTL location, it’s going to get swept up in Cold War politics, full stop. I suppose it could fall in line with the Soviets, but I don’t see it happening under Stalin unless Stalin has more of a hate-boner for someone else and he can use Israel to stick it to them (Stalin was notoriously anti-Jewish, though it was more typical anti-Semitism than Nazi-level crazy-fuckitude.)

    So one possibility is to move Israel in the 1940s, possibly by giving the land that ended up being transferred to Poland from defeated Germany to a new Jewish State. Perhaps we call it Zion; I don’t know. No Israel in the Middle East, no pissed-off radical Muslims attacking their ally in the West.

    Another is to avert the US bases in Saudi Arabia. Perhaps they end up somewhere else more innocuous, like Turkey. Osama bin Laden May still be pissed off but he wouldn’t be able to recruit for al-Qaeda based on US military bases in secular Turkey.

    Another is if the GOP in Congress says to Clinton after the embassy bombings, fuck it, let Clinton get the bastards who did this. Rather than chucking up a barrage of cruise missiles and calling it a day, America sends in forces to kill or capture bin Laden and his top lieutenants, and al-Qaeda is completely fucked as far as 9/11 goes.
     
  13. Resurgam Teacher and Writer of Things

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    That's the thing, though. I think we're just kicking the can down the road by preventing 9/11. Eventually, there's probably going to be a high-casualty terrorist attack on American soil.
     
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  14. UCB79 Bookworm, 1st class

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    Why Analytical I think you’re exaggerating!
    Last time I counted there were only 590347
    695769057655 different federal agencies! And they ALL get along just fine!
     
  15. Stenz Don't judge the past by the standards of today... Monthly Donor

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    Not necessarily. If you prevent 9/11 by stopping AQ in the 90s when there were serious opportunities, or even in the aftermath of the USS Cole bombings, then you’re not kicking the can anywhere.
     
  16. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    That is possible, though it’s hard to say who would pull it off and how it would affect events afterwards. A far-right McVeigh wannabe has as much chance as some Wahhabist dickweed, and if I had to guess, it won’t be planes used as weapons.
     
  17. 33k7 Well-Known Member

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    the most the books I've read Osama bin Laden begin to think the United States was very weak because of the battle of Mogadishu.
    many people consider this to be the one of the first Domino to fall that led to 9/11 but I really don't consider that to be the case but it is significant.

    if Bill Clinton didn't pull back US forces and decided to go back into the City and crush the area that supported Mohamed Farrah Aidid.
    Osama bin Laden might not have seen the USS week it got a black eye but it destroyed the area afterwards. this is according to most of the delta forces
    and a some officers which were on the ground.

    I really don't know George Bush Senior or Bill Clinton could have prevented it but I do know if they were a little bit more aggressive with foreign policy we probably have a decent chance of preventing a lot of crap. I'm speaking with hindsight hear these people were going off their gut instincts in a time when the world was a drastic change with the Soviet Union's collapse and a massive power vacuum to fill on the world stage.
     
  18. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    East Prussia, are you serious? You would have to ethnically cleanse the area of Poles as well as Germans for that to work. Historically they around number 3 in antisemitism behind Nazi Germany and Russia. That is about it.
     
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  19. Resurgam Teacher and Writer of Things

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    Even if you crush AQ, there'll be others unhappy with America, people willing to pay, and people willing to die.
     
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    Obviously, you could prove that Polish Antisemitism, which "Poles sucked with their mothers' milk", was well above Lithuanian, Latvian,Ukrainian or Hungarian level?