AHC: Preserve the Russian Monarchy

Well...if 1900 is too late for any meaningfull and major change, I can accept any POD above 1850.

Well, in Up With the Star Alexander II gets a relatively swift defeat in the Russo-Turkish War, a defeat that both starts the revival of the Ottomans *and* pushes the Tsar into a protracted series of no-holds barred military reform, especially developing with state power and funding a superior railroad network designed for military use, a policy his predecessors continue. The result is that when the Russo-Japanese War happens the IJA gets smacked on land, the IJN kicks ass on sea (thus more inconclusive than IOTL) as a sign of Russian improvement at a military level. This just accelerates the reforms in the next 12 years under Nicholas II, and Russia spends most of WWI fighting on East Prussian soil.

Russia, however, quits when it has to fight on too many fronts and is poised to start entering chaos like OTL Russia and the Tsar decides naturally he doesn't want to fight the Central Powers all on his lonesome, they likewise decide they can't be punitive against a state which saw very little fighting on its soil as opposed to theirs.

A generation later Russian fascism reduces the Romanovs to figureheads, fights nuclear WWII, stalemates because it hasn't the ability to reach or destroy the USA and is too big and powerful relative to its enemies for even gas and nukes to change anything. The Romanovs stay figureheads during the ATL Cold War but the experience of the stagnation of the fascist regime leads to a Romanov restoration because nobody remembers the last time a Romanov exercised unlimited power and they know the reality of the Great People's Movement doing so.

The dynasty survives under Tsarina Olga, and her successor is the one that deposes the fascists via an inversion of the 1991 coup.
 
1900- Too late?!!

I can't believe this thread. We're talking about a POD as early as 1900 and some people think this is too late?

The Russian monarchy fell as a result of events during the First World War.

With a POD in 1900, any number of events could have prevented the fall of the Romanovs, ranging from the early death of Nicholas II to the prevention of the First World War somehow.
 
From my earlier list, I will go with a successfull Gallopoli as the most likely P.O.D. The Russian army does much better particularly against the Austria Hungary. Morale is high, no Febuary Revolution.
 
From my earlier list, I will go with a successfull Gallopoli as the most likely P.O.D. The Russian army does much better particularly against the Austria Hungary. Morale is high, no Febuary Revolution.
They were already doing pretty well against Austria-Hungary. Then all the defeats to the Germans come along... and yeah.

Militarily speaking, if you cant defeat the Germans first, then you cant defeat the Austrians. The problem is, if they could beat the Germans then they wouldnt be in this problem in the first place. >.<
 
If the British agent Captain Francis Cromie had survived the shoot out with Soviet Chekist forces in the British embassy and managed to escape, he could have continued to coordinate anti-Soviet operations throughout Petrograd.

His ultimate plan was to either restore the Russian monarchy, or to replace the Soviet government with a military dictatorship. The latter seems more likely, but it would be interesting to posit how a monarchy-restoration would occur, and its consequences nationwide.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
The Russian monarchy fell as a result of events during the First World War.
No, the Russian monarchy fell as a result of the 1905 Revolution, which put paid to the ideas of "social monarchy" and turned the populace irrevocably against the Tsar.

The First World War ushered in the final collapse of the Russian Imperial State, meaning those few non-Tsarist institutions holding the colossus together.
 
Well, in Up With the Star Alexander II gets a relatively swift defeat in the Russo-Turkish War, a defeat that both starts the revival of the Ottomans *and* pushes the Tsar into a protracted series of no-holds barred military reform, especially developing with state power and funding a superior railroad network designed for military use, a policy his predecessors continue. The result is that when the Russo-Japanese War happens the IJA gets smacked on land, the IJN kicks ass on sea (thus more inconclusive than IOTL) as a sign of Russian improvement at a military level. This just accelerates the reforms in the next 12 years under Nicholas II, and Russia spends most of WWI fighting on East Prussian soil.

Russia, however, quits when it has to fight on too many fronts and is poised to start entering chaos like OTL Russia and the Tsar decides naturally he doesn't want to fight the Central Powers all on his lonesome, they likewise decide they can't be punitive against a state which saw very little fighting on its soil as opposed to theirs.

A generation later Russian fascism reduces the Romanovs to figureheads, fights nuclear WWII, stalemates because it hasn't the ability to reach or destroy the USA and is too big and powerful relative to its enemies for even gas and nukes to change anything. The Romanovs stay figureheads during the ATL Cold War but the experience of the stagnation of the fascist regime leads to a Romanov restoration because nobody remembers the last time a Romanov exercised unlimited power and they know the reality of the Great People's Movement doing so.

The dynasty survives under Tsarina Olga, and her successor is the one that deposes the fascists via an inversion of the 1991 coup.

Link please, for I wish to read this now!
 

scholar

Banned
No, the Russian monarchy fell as a result of the 1905 Revolution, which put paid to the ideas of "social monarchy" and turned the populace irrevocably against the Tsar.
No, if the Russian Monarchy fell as a result of the 1905 revolution then it would have fallen as a result of the 1905 revolution. Instead it took massive famines, alienation amongst the nobility from the government and the military with itself, many defeats at the front, and Tsar Nicholas making a number of mistakes for the monarchy to fall. Even then, its fall was not immediate, nor was it certain. In fact, once you think about all the causes that made the fall possible, it was such a complex web of events that the Russian imperial state is capable of surviving with a very simple POD.

I hate most arguments that go for the inevitability of something: Inevitability of socialism, inevitability of democracy, inevitability of the fall of communism, inevitability of the fall of monarchies, inevitability of a world war, and so on and so forth. I can guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that if the USSR and the United States went to war then the inevitability of the "hot" war would exist in such a timeline.
 
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