AHC: post-WWII Yugoslavia split between Chetnik-ruled and Partisan-ruled states

raharris1973

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Can this challenge be plausibly met, and if it can, what would be the most plausible zones of control for each faction?

I would tend to assume the Yugoslav King would be affiliated with the Chetnik zone.
 
Can this challenge be plausibly met, and if it can, what would be the most plausible zones of control for each faction?

I would tend to assume the Yugoslav King would be affiliated with the Chetnik zone.
Have a Greece like scenario where the British foreign office back the Chetniks and radically shift overall British policy when they take over from SOE. OTL the Greek communists controlled the entire country in 1945 outside Athens and the British were able to install the Greek King alongside collaborators as the official government. Que civil war and a temporarily split Greece. I could see a similar scenario playing out in Yugoslavia, though Tito might not play ball in the same way as the Greek Communists did.
 
I mean, the Četniks were essentially a Serbian movement, so it seems obvious to me that at maximum their zones would be Serbia (+ Kosovo), Serbian-inhabited parts of Bosnia, and Montenegro, all being part of a reconstituted Yugoslav kingdom.

I don't know how Macedonia would end up (could end up Bulgarian with a few parts incorporated into Greece and Albania), but I'd imagine Croatia, Slovenia and the Muslim and Croat parts of Bosnia federating into Titoland or whatever it'd be called.
 
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First leave Alexander of Yugoslavia alive in 1934, we'll assume that Barthomley is still shot in the assassination attempt. By late 1940 this has not overwelmingly changed history. There were subtle chqnges in Greece that led to the republican coup succeeding and thus the monarchy not being restored as there was a serious international crisis with Italy after the assassination attempt as it was giving shelter to the assassins and Yugoslavia is more pro-allied but was very pro-allied in the first place. Mussolini is still halted by the Germans from invading it in September 1940 and then goes in schedule to invade the Greeks just as unsuccessfully as in OTL. Only difference Alexander is not likely to kneel under to demands to join the axis. And republican Greece has a bigger better led army that managed to take Valona crippling Italian logistics before winter set, then were able to start moving some troups east. When the Germans cross the Bulgarian border in the start of March the Yugoslavs mobilise in turn and given how their own plans expect they'll have to retreat to Greece just like ww1 and the divisions of the general reserve are put on the Vardar to retreat south. When the Germans invade both Greece and Yugoslavia in April the Yugoslavia army is fully mobilized and dug in. It still goes down fast, particularly up north but not before the Serb units put up stiff resistance with a number of divisions escaping to Greece. (Essentially the Yugoslavs do about as well as the Poles)

Then allied troops hold on the Olympus. Or at Thermopylae. Or the isthmus of Corinth. Either way Greece fights on, which means there is also a Yugoslav government in exile, that is more influential Alexander is one of the victors of ww1 with prestige to match and an army of say about 150,000 men. When in 1944 allied armies advance north from Greece Chetniks are getting incorporated in the exile army left and right... but the partisans further north are of a different opinion...
 
Can this challenge be plausibly met, and if it can, what would be the most plausible zones of control for each faction?
Serbia, Serbian-Bosnia, Serbian-Kosovo, Montenegro and potentially Macedonia - it could be expanded if the Chetniks' ideology isn't centered around Serb nationalism and irredentism.
 
West of river Drina would be communist Yugoslavia, east of Drina would be Serbian monarchy. Partisan base are Dalmatia, Istria, Slovenia, and majority of Bosnia. Chetnik base are Serbia and Montenegro. Macedonia was full of partisans.
 

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West of river Drina would be communist Yugoslavia, east of Drina would be Serbian monarchy. Partisan base are Dalmatia, Istria, Slovenia, and majority of Bosnia. Chetnik base are Serbia and Montenegro. Macedonia was full of partisans.

What about Vojvodina?

Also, even if Macedonia had lots of partisans, might they have been lost to the main body if separatist from the rest by Chetnik dominated territory?
 

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I mean, the Četniks were essentially a Serbian movement, so it seems obvious to me that at maximum their zones would be Serbia (+ Kosovo), Serbian-inhabited parts of Bosnia, and Montenegro, all being part of a reconstituted Yugoslav kingdom.

I don't know how Macedonia would end up (could end up Bulgarian with a few parts incorporated into Greece and Albania), but I'd imagine Croatia, Slovenia and the Muslim and Croat parts of Bosnia federating into Titoland or whatever it'd be called.
If the Chetniks managed to establish control over the Serb parts of Yugoslavia it was probably because Churchill got his dream of opening up a Balkan front. The Western Allies would have to invade through Yugoslav Macedonia to get to Serbia, so Macedonia would probably stay with the Chetniks.
 
What about Vojvodina?

Also, even if Macedonia had lots of partisans, might they have been lost to the main body if separatist from the rest by Chetnik dominated territory?

Vojvodina was divided between Croatia, Hungary and German administration of Banat. In OTL it was liberated by Soviets in October 1944.
In this scenario it would be liberated by Anglo-Americans. Today's Croatian-Serbian border is divided by Danube.

Macedonaian future depends on where Bulgaria ends up. It is possible that new Serbia should become a federation of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.

If the Chetniks managed to establish control over the Serb parts of Yugoslavia it was probably because Churchill got his dream of opening up a Balkan front. The Western Allies would have to invade through Yugoslav Macedonia to get to Serbia, so Macedonia would probably stay with the Chetniks.

So, Bulgaria is liberated by Allies. Hungary would end in Soviet hands. Romania would be most likely finlandized. Kindgom, capitalist oriented country, but afraid to do anything to provoke Stalin.
 

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Vojvodina was divided between Croatia, Hungary and German administration of Banat. In OTL it was liberated by Soviets in October 1944.
In this scenario it would be liberated by Anglo-Americans. Today's Croatian-Serbian border is divided by Danube.

Macedonaian future depends on where Bulgaria ends up. It is possible that new Serbia should become a federation of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.



So, Bulgaria is liberated by Allies. Hungary would end in Soviet hands. Romania would be most likely finlandized. Kindgom, capitalist oriented country, but afraid to do anything to provoke Stalin.
Liberated would be a funny word, considering Bulgaria voluntarily sided with the Axis. Montenegrins considered themselves Serbs and didn't push for federalization, and the Macedonians weren't influential enough for the Serbs to care about what they wanted. Chetnik Serbia would be a unitary state. Whether or not Romania would be Finlandized is an interesting question. Greece wasn't Finlandized despite having a significant Communist movement and bordering three communist states.
 
Liberated would be a funny word, considering Bulgaria voluntarily sided with the Axis. Montenegrins considered themselves Serbs and didn't push for federalization, and the Macedonians weren't influential enough for the Serbs to care about what they wanted. Chetnik Serbia would be a unitary state. Whether or not Romania would be Finlandized is an interesting question. Greece wasn't Finlandized despite having a significant Communist movement and bordering three communist states.

Yeah, I know, but Bulgaria is quite unique. Always allied with Germans, but never declare war to Russia.
Montenegrins - yes they considered themselves Serbs. but requirements for federalization started in 1918. This is a conflict between the two Serbian dynasties. In WW2 they cooperated with the Italians, part was in Chetniks, part in the Partisans. I think they would eventually ask for federalization.

Macedonia is a problem for Serbia. Armed rebellions were constant during first Yugoslavia, but Macedonia is only link with Greece. I think the monarchy would be forced to give at least cultural autonomy.
 
King of Bulgaria. A righteous gentile recused Jews during the Holocaust.
King Boris III is responsible for the deportation of the Jews living in Bulgarian occupied Macedonia and Thrace. He is most certainly not a righteous gentile, especially considering that he only changed his mind on deporting the Jews in Bulgaria proper after widespread protests against their deportation.
 
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