AHC: Post WWI return of the powerful Monarchs.

Wolfpaw

Banned
Neither the Orleanist nor the Bourbon pretenders are particularly charismatic figures, or even strong personalities.
No, but their movements are more popular. If the February Crisis of 1934 turns out better for the right-wing, we could possibly see the monarchy reinstated. And while the king likely won't play much of the role in day-to-day management, his word will likely still be the final one and be seen as more legitimate than that of the Chef or whoever France's strongman is.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
So Prince Jean for the Orleanists. Can't find out who the Legitimist claimant would be.
It would be Alfonso Carlos, the Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne. But by this point the Legitimist pretenders were far more Spanish than French, so they won't be given much consideration, especially since the major monarchists in France were mostly Orleanists.
 
And in doing so prove my original statement of an absolute monarch returning to power to be possible.

Not at all. My contention was simply that if such a monarch existed, it would have to be unnoticed, which is close to impossible, and the monarch would have to be interested, which is unlikely given the hands on momarchism that drove the First World War.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
Now that I think of it, the Italian monarchy actually had much more power than it is usually given credit. VE3's royal prerogative was actually the reason Mussolini was both put into and removed from power.
 
Now that I think of it, the Italian monarchy actually had much more power than it is usually given credit. VE3's royal prerogative was actually the reason Mussolini was both put into and removed from power.

But neither he nor Umberto were strong personalities, though Umberto does come off as a bit of a Edward VIII-type minus the masochism.
 
Not quite. A monarch exercising power would be slapped down if noticed.
By who? Let's ignore the facist argument. Even though many royals were removed from power after the great war many imperialists weren't people like Emilio de Bono and better yet Paul von Hindenburg were in positions of power but still monarchists to the bone. If germany had a charismatic noble supported by hindenburg then nothing could stop him, with the exceptions of a far left or far right group attempting a coup. Look there are millions of ways a powerful monarchy could return, perhaps not in modern times but in the 1920/30's? The instability could allow any extremist to take power why not a monarch. True the people of Germany Italy and Austria were all tired of their despotic kings after the war, but as previously mentioned their are dozens of cousins, or non-noble dictators that could proclaim themselves king. I'm sorry but saying a monarchy rising after WW1 is impossible is just plain incorrect.
 
Middle Way?

1) How about making the conflicts between the communists and the fascists more violent. Then, various monarchies act under a "return to normalcy" campaign to re-write themselves into their constitutions to prevent either the fascists or the communists from taking power. Moderate monarchists could be a possibility if given enough motivation. (Granted, it's hard to motivate moderates, but not impossible)
2) The division of Germany back into a group of consultant state (i.e. Bavaria, Prussia, Saxony, etc.) as an alternative to the Wiemar Republic. As I understand it, each sill had their own monarch, and a smaller monarchy might have been easier to maintain and keep popular.
 
1) How about making the conflicts between the communists and the fascists more violent. Then, various monarchies act under a "return to normalcy" campaign to re-write themselves into their constitutions to prevent either the fascists or the communists from taking power. Moderate monarchists could be a possibility if given enough motivation. (Granted, it's hard to motivate moderates, but not impossible)
2) The division of Germany back into a group of consultant state (i.e. Bavaria, Prussia, Saxony, etc.) as an alternative to the Wiemar Republic. As I understand it, each sill had their own monarch, and a smaller monarchy might have been easier to maintain and keep popular.

The problem with splitting Germany up post-WWI is that the new regimes will be deeply unpopular and seen as Allied puppets. They will last as long as there are Allied bayonets to prop them up, and not one minute longer. That does not bode well or the survivability of those monarchies.
 

Incognito

Banned
What about a less-crazy Iron Storm scenario?

Ultramonarchists win the Russian Civil War and the new Tzar of Russia, after purging the regime’s enemies, sets out to industrialise and modernize Russia into a force to be reckoned with.

An alt-World War 2 occurs (not a guarantee but there are those that speculate that even without Hitler a war between Germany & Russia would take place at some point – “drive toward the East” predates Nazism) but the Russian Empire is able to drive off the German aggressors, setting up monarchist puppet/buffer states in the territories not directly incorporated into the Russian Empire.
 
By who? Let's ignore the facist argument. Even though many royals were removed from power after the great war many imperialists weren't people like Emilio de Bono and better yet Paul von Hindenburg were in positions of power but still monarchists to the bone. If germany had a charismatic noble supported by hindenburg then nothing could stop him, with the exceptions of a far left or far right group attempting a coup. Look there are millions of ways a powerful monarchy could return, perhaps not in modern times but in the 1920/30's? The instability could allow any extremist to take power why not a monarch. True the people of Germany Italy and Austria were all tired of their despotic kings after the war, but as previously mentioned their are dozens of cousins, or non-noble dictators that could proclaim themselves king. I'm sorry but saying a monarchy rising after WW1 is impossible is just plain incorrect.

If there are "millions of ways" (pure hogwash) to do this, then why did you ask how it could be done? A restored monarchy will be seen as even more revanchist than Hitler's government had been, and is less likely to get as far, and therefore has next to no prospect for survival beyond three or so years, tops.
 
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