AHC:Possible Allies of CSA

[DensetsuNoAudie]

If the CSA won,who will be likely their allies?

 

[Sevarics]

It really depends on how they win, when they win, etc.

 

[DensetsuNoAudie]

It really depends on how they win, when they win, etc.

Lets just say that the Special Order 191 is safely delivered to the confederates.

 

[mowque]

Lets just say that the Special Order 191 is safely delivered to the confederates.

Turtledove and 'common wisdom' hold France and the UK.

My self? They don't have any.

 

[MerryPrankster]

Brazil and Spain? At the time, they were still slave-holding states, although abolition would be coming quickly OTL.

 

[BELFAST]

American Indians maybe.

 

[mowque]

Brazil and Spain? At the time, they were still slave-holding states, although abolition would be coming quickly OTL.

There's a pair of war winners.

 

[NothingNow]

Brazil and Spain? At the time, they were still slave-holding states, although abolition would be coming quickly OTL.

Yeah, that'd be about it, although Portugal might be on the list as well. Though they'd still effectively be a pariah state. But outside Latin America, I don't see them as being too popular, and even then, with Latin America, that's dependent of Filibustering becoming very rare, and the CSA remaining feeble.

 

[Anaxagoras]

I could see a scenario in which France and the Confederacy strike a deal, whereby the Confederates help the French hold on to Mexico in exchange for a defensive alliance against the United States. The French didn't have the same level of abolitionist feeling as did Great Britain.

And yes, I could see Brazil being a supporter of the Confederacy, too, for obvious reasons.

As for Spain, no. The South had coveted Cuba for decades and achieving independence would only have made them want it more.

 

[MerryPrankster]

I think Napoleon III wanted to support the Confederacy to keep North America divided, so as long as he's in power there's that.

Once (or if) he gets overthrown, French support might change.

 

[Dialga]

So absent national contrition and the abolition of slavery, the CSA might find itself alone in the world, at least in the short term?

 

[Anaxagoras]

So absent national contrition and the abolition of slavery, the CSA might find itself alone in the world, at least in the short term?

I think slavery might have cost the Confederacy the friendship of Britain and any chance of good relations with the United States, but the French might have been another story.

 

[Unconsensual]

Well given America's relative backward position to most Major powers the best you will get is some trading partners. It really doesn't matter to the Europeans what happens in America, sure you may get cheaper cotton but that's about it.

 

[Anaxagoras]

Well given America's relative backward position to most Major powers the best you will get is some trading partners. It really doesn't matter to the Europeans what happens in America, sure you may get cheaper cotton but that's about it.

The French were trying to take control of Mexico during the Civil War, only abandoning the effort IOTL because of the Union victory. Having a major ally in the region would certainly have come in handy in they were serious about reestablishing an imperial presence in the New World.

 

[Unconsensual]

The French were trying to take control of Mexico during the Civil War, only abandoning the effort IOTL because of the Union victory. Having a major ally in the region would certainly have come in handy in they were serious about reestablishing an imperial presence in the New World.

Yes but to what extent?I don't think they will deploy enough manpower to affect the North-South balance, the best you can get the the French navy. You can expect the Spanish and British to meddle, I just don't see the French in any serious capacity there when they could be in places closer or richer.

 

[Umbric Man]

Yes but to what extent?I don't think they will deploy enough manpower to affect the North-South balance, the best you can get the the French navy. You can expect the Spanish and British to meddle, I just don't see the French in any serious capacity there when they could be in places closer or richer.

Spanish? Really?

 

[Rush Tarquin]

Britain - disgusted by the South's slavery.
France - until Nappy III is overthrown or kicks the bucket.
Mexico - until the French aren't watching, Emperor Maxie is overthrown, or the South gets ideas about expanding South (they'd have to be stupid, but they've already kinda demonstrated that).
Brazil - until slavery ends there.
Spain - the South's may be eyeing their Caribbean possessions, especially if the US admits Santo Domingo and causes the South to worry about encirclement.

And that's pretty much it.

 

[Elfwine]

You forgot:

Russia: Supporting the US (as a common rival of Britain's).

 

[Willmatron]

If the South can get rid of slavery then it'll find allies and then it'll try to find someway of keeping down the ex-slaves. I suspect the Monroe Doctrine is history considering that the USA would be weakened then.

 

[Unconsensual]

If the South can get rid of slavery then it'll find allies and then it'll try to find someway of keeping down the ex-slaves. I suspect the Monroe Doctrine is history considering that the USA would be weakened then.

That would take decades for cultural change, a uphill fight against the entrenched landowning interests who just fought a war to keep slavery, and make the south not much different from the north.

Point is if that were to occur then the South would just be a poorer and less industrialized version of the north, changing the flavor and fun of the CSA surviving.