Ahc Poland defeat Nazi germany

The challenge is to have Poland defeat the Nazi invasion before the Russian invade since I doubt the Russians would invade if Germany getting defeated
 
Well it's a bit of a challenge, now suppose European powers, and maybe the US too understand what a threat to Soviet Union will be, and how Poland is not very defensible.

So it's both armed to the teeth and France has some treaty obligation that they actually follow.

When Germany invades Poland, the French invade Germany, but Poland is doing rather well holding its own.
 
The challenge is to have Poland defeat the Nazi invasion before the Russian invade since I doubt the Russians would invade if Germany getting defeated

Poland will need a couple of these
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POD should be after the 1920 war with Russia.. Poland becomes a leader in modern warfare.. Avation, mobile infantry, Fully fortified border with Russia, Building Licensed Skoda Tanks until Cheslovakia is over run by Germans, then Poland with money from UK and France builds even more tanks.. Think 3 or four mobile Polish divisions, Cavalry and mechanized infantry, with a brigade of Chezcz Skoda 35T tanks per division.
 
POD should be after the 1920 war with Russia.. Poland becomes a leader in modern warfare.. Aviation, mobile infantry, Fully fortified border with Russia, Building Licensed Skoda Tanks until Cheslovakia is over run by Germans, then Poland with money from UK and France builds even more tanks.. Think 3 or four mobile Polish divisions, Cavalry and mechanized infantry, with a brigade of Chezcz Skoda 35T tanks per division.
And where would Poland, a recently re-formed country in Eastern Europe, get all the scratch necessary for this amount of militarization? Yes, the Poles weren't just cavalry and infantry; they had their own light tanks which actually rapidly chewed through Wehrmacht armor, but they had too few of them. Hell, the above order would be incredibly expensive for France or Britain, and those two were still considered among the most powerful industrialized nations in the world. Freaking Germany, the nation that improved the idea of combined arms, needed a year or two after the conquest of Czechoslovakia to get its army to spec.

Poland would need to switch to a rapidly industrializing economy right after 1919 and become a major industrial power in Eastern Europe, after centuries of most of its lands being agricultural under the repressive Russian Empire. And its German-controlled lands weren't that much improved either; almost all of Germany's industry was along the Rhineland. IOW, quite a tall order, though not quite impossible.
 
POD should be after the 1920 war with Russia.. Poland becomes a leader in modern warfare.. Avation, mobile infantry, Fully fortified border with Russia, Building Licensed Skoda Tanks until Cheslovakia is over run by Germans, then Poland with money from UK and France builds even more tanks.. Think 3 or four mobile Polish divisions, Cavalry and mechanized infantry, with a brigade of Chezcz Skoda 35T tanks per division.

They might have the coal, the iron and the lead. So now they only need to find oil, rubber, aluminium, steel additives (manganese etc.), and so on. And build the factories.
Oh, and convince the French to spend less on the Maginot so that they can bankroll the Poles. And the British, who after all jumped aboard the Polish defense's boat a bit late.
 
That would only work if you nerf Nazi Germany a lot: if something happens that triggers the war against Poland in 1937 or early 38, when Wehrmacht had less tanks (and nearly only light tanks) than Poland in 1939, the Poles have a good chance to bog down the invasion, at which point - if France even follows up with a Saarland invasion equivalent to OTL - the Wehrmacht generals will kick Hitler and the Nazi party out of power in a coup for getting Germany unprepared into a two-front war again.
 

GarethC

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October 25 1936 Polish commandos commit a clear act of war in the hijacking of the Soviet vessels Kine, Kursk, Neva, and Volgoles in Cartagena harbor. The Soviet crews and four Spanish treasury employees are killed after the transfer of the Spanish gold reserve by Treasury Director-General Francisco Mendes Aspe and NKVD Head of Spanish Operations Alexander Orlov.

The ships rendezvous with a Polish support vessel and are repainted and have their lines altered - lifeboat davits are moved, awnings added, a false funnel raised - and proceed away from the normal shipping lanes west of Ireland, rounding Scotland to the north and passing through the Skagerrak November 2nd. After unloading in Gdansk they are scuttled in the Baltic until they are discovered in 1994 by a NUMA team lead by Dirk Pitt seeking the Treasury Seal left by Director Aspe with the leader of the treasury employees.

Poland uses the 510 tons of gold to purchase foreign-built armaments.

Soviet intervention in the Spanish Civil War decreases as the Republicans believe that Stalin has stolen the gold (OTL he did not defraud Spain of it, but did charge his Republican allies for all of his aid).

Poland transfers the gold to the American, British, and French governments over the next two years in exchange for lines of credit for the purchase of war materiel.

You know, it's a cool premise for a dire Clive Cussler airport-bookshop technothriller, but I think there just isn't the time to get the new production ready before September 1939.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.
 
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The one above would be...extremely unlikely. The fact that this takes place near Ireland makes this already impossible (or you need Polish ships near England) because of the fact that back then there could be no jamming of communications and as such the Soviets would be informed of this: War would follow in short order, given the fact the Polish attacked without any reason and are in effect pirates. It is even more unlikely the Polish would even know of the treasure being shipped to the soviets.
 
The only real chance for Poland is for France to completely overhaul it's mindset, military policy and hardware, and to launch offensive action against Germany when Germany invades Poland.
 
The French would never do it without British backing, and the British would never wage aggressive war on the European mainland.
 
POD is 1920 almighty.

So the Polish-Soviet War has Poland actually stand up for her allies, namely Ukraine. Poland begins to court other nations to be part of the Międzymorze Alliance. By 1938 the alliance contains, Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Czechoslovakia. The Polish army agrees to modernize mostly in preparation for round two with the Soviets. By 1938 when the Nazis come calling for the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, where the west wants to do the whole appeasement, Poland and the rest of the Miedzymorze alliance support Czechoslovakia and thus war breaks out over the Sudetenland. By the end of this war, it is Poland and her alliance that has emerged on top not the Nazis.

How plausible is this one? :coldsweat:
 
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