AHC/POD/WI: Iranics/Tocharians replace the Turko/Mongols in the later Central Asian origin Empires

Albert.Nik

Banned
The later Central Asian origin Empires we know are Seljuk Empire,Ottomon Empire,Mongol Empire in Europe and West Asia and Timurids,Turkic Sultanate and Mughal Empire in the East in India and surroundings. These were overwhelmingly Turko-Mongol Empires. So in this ATL,we need Tocharians or Iranian peoples to assimilate the Turks and Mongols rather than the other way round as in ATL and then begin their expansion with Islam or an equivalent Monotheistic religion. Racially,culturally and linguistically,they remain Indo-European but little markers of assimilating East Asian originating Turko-Mongols.Just vice versa of OTL .In this ATL too,they expand till the borders of Persian,Byzantine and Arab Caliphates in their Golden Age and other groups who go East penetrate India and establish strong empires there just as in ATL.
Now where the WI would come in would be that these peoples were far more settled and advanced than the Huns and the Mongols whose descendants were those who established empires OTL. So how would this Seljuk(Yuezhi empire let's say in this ATL) equivalent do in the West with Persians,Greeks,Armenians and Arab golden age empires? Would they save the Arab Golden age empires and the Byzantine Empires in their Golden ages rather than destroying them? How would Anatolia look like? Would it be a Tocharian,Iranian majority and signficant Greek,Isuarian,Celtic(Galatian),Caucasian Christian and Armenian orthodox Christian minority in this ATL rather than being crippled in OTL? How would the Byzantine Empire do,anyway? How would Greece look like? A more peaceful and affluent Balkans,Russia and Eastern Europe? What about Hungary and the Late Roman Empire? Germanic peoples still need to flee towards the West into the Roman Empire? Could Celts establish an empire in the West in this Vacuum?
Now let's go to India.
How would their Empires,settlements and conquests look like,which they inevitably would since all Central Asian peoples poured into India due to geography? How would Geo politics in South Asia and outside look with a Tocharian/Iranian India and the same peoples dominating Anatolia,Levant(parts),Central Asia,parts of Iran,Afghanistan and even parts of Persia? How would Slavs and Kievan Rus do?
Now coming to the modern eras,how would British,Dutch and French superpowers do? Would Byzantine Balkans(who would be part Slavic and Romanian as well as Tocharian and Iranian converts go Byzantine Church along with Greeks) be an another superpower added? What about Papal states and HRE? North Africa? Reconquest of Spain? European colonization of USA and other American regions? How would all these go about? How would USA,Canada and Australia be established relationships with or establish relations with the Tocharian and Iranian States who are in large numbers in South Asia and parts of Middle East(consider they follow a form of Islam or some Monotheistic religion). How far would Arab and European golden ages go without being destroyed? Would we be significantly ahead?
 
Racially,culturally and linguistically,they remain Indo-European but little markers of assimilating East Asian originating Turko-Mongols.
these peoples were far more settled and advanced than the Huns and the Mongols
How far would Arab and European golden ages go without being destroyed? Would we be significantly ahead?
It feels a little like you have a bit of an obsession with making large swathes of Eurasia Indo-European, which you seem to mistakenly confuse with being "white" and indeed, as this post implies, a positive thing. (Especially given this thread, and also this thread about a 75% White British India somehow peacefully achieved.) Just my hunch though.

In any case, it would be flat-out impossible for any "far more settled and advanced" medieval population to reach the Mongols' level of success, so the post as you've stated it is a bit implausible.
 
The Iranians did though. That's why Tajikistan speaks a dialect of Persian to this day, and IIRC sizable amounts of Persians lived in Central Asia until the past few centuries. The Iranians made Islam their own, hence relatively quick conversion (compared to some other places) yet becoming no more Arab than the English became French. A lot of what we associate as Islamic culture is actually inherited from Persian influences. These Persian influences went wherever the Turks conquered afterwards and heavily influenced modern Turkey, India (Persian was a lingua franca before the British), etc.
 
Just gonna need Turks to focus more on the Eastern Steppes rather than fleeing Chinese conquests/exterminations west. Easy.
Get the proto-Turko-Mongols to burn China down and have them spend their excess manpower Turkifying North China Plain instead. A weaker Han Dynasty?

Also, the Yuezhi/Saka were pretty bad in Bactria too, worse than Turks in Persia I think (though much, much better than fricking Mongols)
 

Albert.Nik

Banned
@Intransigent Southerner ,White(Indo-European speaking or not) Central Asia,Middle East,Anatolia and even large parts of South and East Asia is not difficult to achieve before the Modern era or even the Mediaeval era. Just make at least one medium to large sized Empire empire like Kushan(Tocharians),Sogdian,Indo-Greek,Bactrian or Parthian,etc Empires or even one Neolithic or Bronze age Empires around the Caucasus or Anatolia more stable and successful. You would get it. In OTL,there are many and many who'd pass White in all these regions but this AHC mainly deal with Majority.
On a lighter note,you have linked only one White central Asia thread! Celtic,Germanic,Roman,Hurrian,Urartian,Slavic,Baltic,Uralic,Caucasian,Anatolian,even Neolithic European empires have been discussed by me! Though I seem to like those successful antiquity empires timelines,I have never crossed a line and don't intend to. I usually stick to making Neolithic and Antiquity era empires more successful in such timelines.
 

Albert.Nik

Banned
The Iranians did though. That's why Tajikistan speaks a dialect of Persian to this day, and IIRC sizable amounts of Persians lived in Central Asia until the past few centuries. The Iranians made Islam their own, hence relatively quick conversion (compared to some other places) yet becoming no more Arab than the English became French. A lot of what we associate as Islamic culture is actually inherited from Persian influences. These Persian influences went wherever the Turks conquered afterwards and heavily influenced modern Turkey, India (Persian was a lingua franca before the British), etc.
Not enough for this AHC timeline though. We need bigger and more successful empires like Yuezhi/Kushan Empire built by Tocharians but it can be Iranian origin or Tocharian. If you want to make original Indo-Aryans survive,include them too. But Indo-Aryans were in the Levant too so keep them in mind.
 

Albert.Nik

Banned
Thinking of Indo-Aryans,I got one timeline. Make more Punjabi like ethnicities and make them settle throught India and Central Asia creating a foothold all over here. Punjabis are Indo-Aryan speakers who are a mix of Indo-Aryans,Scythians,Tocharians and a bit of Turks(from White Huns). Come on guys,Punjabis can be included in this list.
To illustrate how they look,I annexed a link to YouTube video of my favourite old Hindi Hit song which features Rishi Kapoor,a Punjabi origin actor as a lead male role.
 

Kaze

Banned
Who says they are not? Genghis' army was multicultural - they were not all Mongols, Mongol officers but some of the enlisted if you could call them that came from the very people they conquered.
 
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