AHC: Plantagenet Scotland

I'm not sure how this would happen, I figure Scotland changed ruling dynasties at least twice (from Dunkeld to Bruce, and Bruce to Stewart) while the Plantagenets ruled England, and there were quite a few Plantagenet princesses who became queen-consort of Scots.

One of the parameters of this challenge is that Scotland must remain a separate, independent nation, so the Plantagenet line that comes to rule it descends from a younger son/brother of the king of England - for whatever reason (I particularly like the accidental succession-idea).

And also, the Scottish Plantagenets mustn't keep needing to call in their English cousins to bring an army and stamp out dissent, so they sort of need to be acceptable/palatable to the Scots. IDK if this is even possible, but I look forward to seeing if you guys could find a way to make it happpen.
 
Either:

A. Edward II's marriage to Margaret of Norway goes through, but causes enough tension with the the Scottish nobles that Edward II and Margaret, or their children, are forced to compromise.

B. Robert the Bruce is killed at the Battle of Methven in 1306 instead of escaping, and his only child, Marjorie is captured as IOTL. Edward I breaks off his son's betrothal to Isabella of France and betroths him to Marjorie. Edward and Marjorie II have at least two sons, but the Scottish nobles won't lie down easily, so Edward is somehow 'convinced' that leaving England to his eldest son and Scotland to a younger son is the best option for peace.
 
Please tell me more. Was he ever considered for marriage to a Scots princess? That would be interesting

Apparently, King David II made an offer to Edward III in 1363/1364 where, if Edward would cancel his ransom, David would bequeath Scotland to him or one of his sons. He did this knowing full well the Scottish nobles wouldn't accept it, and lo and behold, that's what happened.
 
Either:

A. Edward II's marriage to Margaret of Norway goes through, but causes enough tension with the the Scottish nobles that Edward II and Margaret, or their children, are forced to compromise.

B. Robert the Bruce is killed at the Battle of Methven in 1306 instead of escaping, and his only child, Marjorie is captured as IOTL. Edward I breaks off his son's betrothal to Isabella of France and betroths him to Marjorie. Edward and Marjorie II have at least two sons, but the Scottish nobles won't lie down easily, so Edward is somehow 'convinced' that leaving England to his eldest son and Scotland to a younger son is the best option for peace.


Would the Scots/Plantagenets go for this? I could see the English king wanting to know why his son who's prince of Wales can't be king of Scots too.

Apparently, King David II made an offer to Edward III in 1363/1364 where, if Edward would cancel his ransom, David would bequeath Scotland to him or one of his sons. He did this knowing full well the Scottish nobles wouldn't accept it, and lo and behold, that's what happened.

Damn, and here I was hoping that it could be something like Lionel was betrothed to a princess who just happened to be daughter of the eldest sister of the last king of Scots from the house of Bruce, and then when persons XYZ died and she was left closer to the Scots throne, the betrothal was cancelled.

I was going to say a Kent or Exeter line but I realised they're not actually Plantagenets :firstimekiss:

Your earlier suggestion of the Holland inheritance got me thinking. Alphonso, Earl of Chester was betrothed to Margaretha of Holland before he died. IDK if she married/died young as well, can't seem to find info one way or another, but I assume she died or had no children since her brother was the last of their line's counts of Holland. So, Fonso and Marge are married, they have one kid, who happens to be male, but Fonso dies before his dad (maybe even before he becomes a dad). Marge and her son have decent claims to the Scots' throne through Ada of Huntingdon (and OTL the counts of Holland pressed their claim after the death of the Maid of Norway apparently). The Scots are willing to take Fonso's posthumous son as heir to the throne, crown Queen Margaret II, remarry her to some nice tame Scots' laird (maybe), on the condition that Fonso Jnr renounces his claims to the English throne (or maybe Edward I is scared of leaving the English throne to a minor)?
 
Would the Scots/Plantagenets go for this? I could see the English king wanting to know why his son who's prince of Wales can't be king of Scots too.

Maybe the oldest son decided he wanted a more attractive consort who was a countess? Now usually the father will say "ummm... yeah no. You're marrying who I say so" but it's possible it can go this way. Alternately, the prince of Wales gets married off before he can be King of Scots. Edward the Confessor promised the throne to 3-6 people (William is one of those maybes) before realizing Edgar Ætheling was alive. So if you forget that person X is alive, you might have secured a suboptimal political marriage.
 
Maybe the oldest son decided he wanted a more attractive consort who was a countess? Now usually the father will say "ummm... yeah no. You're marrying who I say so" but it's possible it can go this way. Alternately, the prince of Wales gets married off before he can be King of Scots. Edward the Confessor promised the throne to 3-6 people (William is one of those maybes) before realizing Edgar Ætheling was alive. So if you forget that person X is alive, you might have secured a suboptimal political marriage.

Not sure if anyone would be as daft as Edward the Confessor though...
 
What about both Edward II and Alfonso of Chester surviving..

It's not really going to change much, since Fonzo's still going to be head of the line and WILL be king of England. So the Scots might automatically reject Margaretha. However, a posthumous child could lead Edward I to favour Edward II instead especially if there's to be a regency.

Although staying with the Hollandic claimants, what if Johan leaves a daughter (IDK if he was married before Elizabeth of Rhuddlan) and said daughter marries one of Edward's sons from his second marriage?

Although, just thinking: James I was prisoner in England for a LONG time, and his brother died with no children. So what if one of his sisters had married an English prince, James' ship sinks or he dies and said English prince becomes king-consort of Scots?
 
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It's not really going to change much, since Fonzo's still going to be head of the line and WILL be king of England. So the Scots might automatically reject Margaretha. However, a posthumous child could lead Edward I to favour Edward II instead especially if there's to be a regency.

Revisiting this topic. I was wondering what would happen if we give Alfonso of Chester an extra 10-15years of life (he still dies before his dad, but leaves a kid(s)). How might this play out. Would Edward I claim Scotland in the name of his grandchild? Would the Scots be anymore in favour of this idea than anything else that Longshanks tried against them?
 
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