AHC: Peter II of Brazil marries with Queen Victoria

What if queen Victoria had married with Pedro II of Brazil? We would have a United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Brazil?

(Sorry, I please move the thread to Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900)
 

LordKalvert

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Now this is interesting especially given the close ties between England and Portugal and Brazil. The Catholicism issue is a big roadblock though
 
I'm reasonably sure one of the Acts regarding royal succession forbids members of the royal family marrying catholics. On top of that Parliament would never accept it.
 
What if queen Victoria had married with Pedro II of Brazil? We would have a United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Brazil?

(Sorry, I please move the thread to Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900)
Does Pedro convert? If not Parliament packs Vicky off and tries to choke down her Uncle Ernest. If so than Pedro probably has more than a few problems in Brazil.
 
What if queen Victoria had married with Pedro II of Brazil? We would have a United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Brazil?

(Sorry, I please move the thread to Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900)

No. She would have to choose between Pedro and the British crown, and if she married him prior to becoming queen, she (and any children being raised Catholic) would be excluded from the line of succession.
 
From what I can tell, growing up Victoria was a political football both at home and abroad in Germany. Brazil never even factored into the equation.

HOWEVER, assuming all the schemer's plans fall apart and Pedro and Viccy do get to meet and spend time together -

1) Victoria is too important to lose. She's going to get the crown (bar converting to Catholicism) but Parliament will never acknowledge any children raised Catholic (or the authority of Pedro) - and whilst they'd rather keep her they aren't above bringing in another line of the family - (see - the Hanoverians of Britain)

2) I rather doubt Brazil will acknowledge any children raised in the Church of England would they?

Either way there would never be a UK-Brazil personal union. Best you could hope for would be non-reigning descendants of the UK crown taking up the Brazilian crown if that line comes to an end, and vice versa, but never holding both crowns at once.
 
i don´t see a religion problem from the brazilian side,but how at that time and age could Pedro II govern Brazil and live in britain at the same time?he have to chose between Victoria or be the emperor of Brazil.Mariing pricess Isabel with the prince wales would be easier and you could have the personal union.I guess the US won´t like much.
 
It would be constitutionally bad on both sides. The monarchy being abolished in Brazil could spread to England.

What you need is a different prince who is not so linked to the throne at first marring queen Victoria eg.
  • Prince Christian of Glücksburg, who was made heir-presumptive in 1852, a young man, Christian unsuccessfully sought the hand of his third cousin, Queen Victoria, in marriage. He would later be Christian IX of Denmark
    (My favorite)
  • Prince Abdülaziz, who was the son of Sultan Mahmud II and succeeded his brother Abdülmecid I in 1861 in becoming the 32nd Sultan of the Ottoman Empire
  • Prince Chlodwig of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, who was Chancellor of Germany, PM of Prussia and Bavaria and was regarded as one of the most prominent liberal politicians of his time in Germany

Thinking about it that might be a good timeline, The British-Danish Empire© so im copy righting the idea for a month (date 4/8/2014)
 
What if queen Victoria had married with Pedro II of Brazil? We would have a United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Brazil?

(Sorry, I please move the thread to Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900)

It's simply impossible and never considered by both parties. Also, this is what the Brazilian Constitution said:

Art. 1. The Empire of Brazil is the political association of all Brazilian citizens. They form a free and independent Nation, that does not allow any kind of union or federation that opposes its independence.

And:

Art. 5. The Apostolic Catholic religion shall remain the religion of the Empire [...].

Marriage with non-catholic royals in Brazil was impossible, so was marriage with anyone who had real chances of becoming the monarch of a foreign country.

Lastly, Victoria was quite older than Pedro II: she was born in 1819 and he in 1825. By the time the Brazilian government started looking for possible brides for him Victoria was already married.

HOWEVER, it's worth noticing that Victoria considered Pedro II a handsome man when both met for the first time in 1871 and she took the trouble of visiting him (not the contrary) in the hotel he was staying only to give him the medal of the Order of Garter and kissed him in his cheek when she did that. People around were quite amazed because she was already famous for her seclusion since the death of her husband.

Thus, there was no lack of interest from her part, at least...
 
Britain (and most of the world) considered Brazil to be one of the most backward places on the planet. even aside from all the other issues, I seriously doubt the brits are going to allow any princesses to cross the ocean to Rio. There's a reason Pedro ended up inbreeding (although not quite as close as the typical Braganza style - his bride was Grandma's niece) with an unattractive less than minor house princess.
 
It would be constitutionally bad on both sides. The monarchy being abolished in Brazil could spread to England.

What you need is a different prince who is not so linked to the throne at first marring queen Victoria eg.
  • Prince Christian of Glücksburg, who was made heir-presumptive in 1852, a young man, Christian unsuccessfully sought the hand of his third cousin, Queen Victoria, in marriage. He would later be Christian IX of Denmark
    (My favorite)
  • Prince Abdülaziz, who was the son of Sultan Mahmud II and succeeded his brother Abdülmecid I in 1861 in becoming the 32nd Sultan of the Ottoman Empire
  • Prince Chlodwig of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, who was Chancellor of Germany, PM of Prussia and Bavaria and was regarded as one of the most prominent liberal politicians of his time in Germany

Thinking about it that might be a good timeline, The British-Danish Empire© so im copy righting the idea for a month (date 4/8/2014)

People are saying the religious divide between Brazil and the UK is a problem, and you're suggesting a Muslim prince?
 
People are saying the religious divide between Brazil and the UK is a problem, and you're suggesting a Muslim prince?

Implausible & unlikely, no doubt; however, a British royal who marries a Catholic loses their place in the line of succession, but a British royal who marries a Muslim would not.
 
Implausible & unlikely, no doubt; however, a British royal who marries a Catholic loses their place in the line of succession, but a British royal who marries a Muslim would not.

Right up until Parliament finds out and promptly cuts said British royal out of the succession.
 
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