AHC: Persia stay's Zoroastrian

Delvestius

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Alexander the Great dies tragically or something.

The Achaemenid Empire is never conquered, and continues to grow in strength and power, while incorporating Turkic and Indic peoples. By the time of Arab conquest, they are powerful enough to resist Islam, and thus Zoroastrianism survives.

EDIT: Assuming that they are powerful enough to resist Rome first, which they may or may not be.
 
Alexander the Great dies tragically or something.

The Achaemenid Empire is never conquered, and continues to grow in strength and power, while incorporating Turkic and Indic peoples. By the time of Arab conquest, they are powerful enough to resist Islam, and thus Zoroastrianism survives.

That scenario's basically definitely going to butterfly Islam away by butterflying Christianity away... in fact, my scenario may even butterfly Islam away. Arab movement out of Arabia and into Persian or Byzantine lands is likely, but the creation of Islam is not half so likely.
 

Delvestius

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How do you figure it prevents Christianity? I feel that one way or another the Jews are going to be oppressed by somebody and Christianity will form in its own time.

Going off that, do you think the "Ahl Al-Kitaab" proto-Muslims of the Arabian peninsula and the formation of Islam was that dependent on the nature of Christianity anywhere else other than Arabia?
 

abc123

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Butterfly away Heraclius. The Byzantine state in Asia would have fallen, and the Persians would be stronger than ever.

That's a no-go. Byzantia must stay alive and healthy.
Another condition: Arabs/Muslims must conquer Arabian Peninsula as OTL.
 
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How do you figure it prevents Christianity? I feel that one way or another the Jews are going to be oppressed by somebody and Christianity will form in its own time.

Going off that, do you think the "Ahl Al-Kitaab" proto-Muslims of the Arabian peninsula and the formation of Islam was that dependent on the nature of Christianity anywhere else other than Arabia?

the Jews loved the Persians, largely because Cyrus the Great returned them from Babylon to Israel, and because the Persians were pretty religiously open.
 
Long term trends led to a pretty obvious decline of Zoroastrianism everywhere except Fars and Hamadan. It's difficult to reverse that without major doctrinal reform that would turn it into something more appealing to everyone.
 
Easy, have the Sunni-Shia split more evenly and cause a very long and bloody religious war. With the split close to 50/50 so many Moslems die that Arabia is easily conquered by either Rome or Persia.
 
Does syncretism, religious evolution, etc count? a Neo, Reformed Zoroastrism, perhaps with Christian, Muslim or Hindu-Buddhist ideas by example...
 

PhilippeO

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make Abu Muslim didn't trust Al-Mansur and escaped to Iran instead, then have him and Sunpadh create reformed Zoroastrian faith and launched a rebellion.
 
How do you figure it prevents Christianity? I feel that one way or another the Jews are going to be oppressed by somebody and Christianity will form in its own time.

Going off that, do you think the "Ahl Al-Kitaab" proto-Muslims of the Arabian peninsula and the formation of Islam was that dependent on the nature of Christianity anywhere else other than Arabia?

Butterfly Effect, True Christianity or Islam wont exist.
 
Does syncretism, religious evolution, etc count? a Neo, Reformed Zoroastrism, perhaps with Christian, Muslim or Hindu-Buddhist ideas by example...


That sounds a lot like Manichaenism.

Had the latter got started a couple of centuries earlier, it might have been too strong to eradicate.
 
Why?

Is it so impossible that so strong empire like Sassanides can't survive attack of some nomadic desert tribes?

Well it was impossible in our time line, ain't it?
The Arabs happened to be the best fighters of their time.

Of course there could be some meteorite rain killing invading Arabian army and saving the Persians. If you really want it I agree:D
 
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