AHC/PC/WI: Two or Three Russias?

The idea is to create either two Russias (Siberia and Russian Far East in one, the rest in the other) or three (Russia, *Siberia, and *Russian Far East).

I'm not sure how exactly to do it or if this question has come up before (something really MUST be done about that Search function... :p) but it seems like far too large a country for this not to be possible, especially if Koreans are somehow involved...

No rules, just plausibility, although a POD in the 18th to the 20th century seems the best place to start.

Bonus points if... er... it's possible and you manage to do it. My knowledge of Russian history is so close to nil it's humiliating.

Thanks, looking forward to hearing some ideas.
 
So, two Russias? Thanks. Now the question is...

...how? And why?

Why don't you throw in Outer Mongolia while your at it... and you probably only can get the northern half of Manchuria...The Russian zone of Influence old Harbin province.

the Whites survive in the Russian Empire of Siberia and the Far East.......Bolsheviks in the West. Where would Central Asia fit, thinking they probably end up as unstable independents then. The East becomes a magnet for those disillusioned with the Bolsheviks
 
How about avoiding the dominance of Moscovy and keeping Russia disunited in the first place? That gives you the possibility of:

Novgorod
Muscovy
Kiev
Valdimir-Suzdal
Assorted minor duchies nominally under the rule of V-S
Pskov
Ryazan
Yaroslavl
A few others I can't remember.
 
Why don't you throw in Outer Mongolia while your at it... and you probably only can get the northern half of Manchuria...The Russian zone of Influence old Harbin province.

the Whites survive in the Russian Empire of Siberia and the Far East.......Bolsheviks in the West. Where would Central Asia fit, thinking they probably end up as unstable independents then. The East becomes a magnet for those disillusioned with the Bolsheviks

I like this. Has this been done before? I can't think of a scenario to keep enough Whites in the East for this to work, off the top of my head. I know there was a White presence there until the twenties but it wasn't significant enough to establish an Eastern Russian secession. Maybe a surviving royal heads east to establish an Empire of Whites in the East (maybe allowing a Constitutional Monarchy with the Czar as Emperor and a Communist Prime Minister and/or "congress/parliament" to encourage the people's participation and disunity in the Red Army? Surely some would stay loyal to the Czar under such an invitation) and this Empire creates a geo-political base for a possible retaking of the Soviet West?

I'm grasping at straws, I know, but the idea of a clear East/West border between a Soviet Union and a Communist Empire appeals to me. Especially since I can't think of many (if any) governments that function as an Empire over a Communist/Socialist constitutional government. I especially like the idea of these two countries remaining separate. As an Irish-American, countries splitting along ethnic and political lines but being visibly split on a map is a lot more recognizable... :p



How about avoiding the dominance of Moscovy and keeping Russia disunited in the first place? That gives you the possibility of:

Novgorod
Muscovy
Kiev
Valdimir-Suzdal
Assorted minor duchies nominally under the rule of V-S
Pskov
Ryazan
Yaroslavl
A few others I can't remember.

I'd really rather keep it a split of greater Russia as opposed to a different formation of the nation itself.

I also think that an Eastern and Western Russia divided would have some vastly more interesting effects on World War II...
 
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The very early drafts of my TL included a worse *Crimean War in the 1860s-70s which lead to an independent Malorossia and a Belorussia which only recognized Russian suzerainty after the fallout of the Russian defeat, some revolutions/rebellions and a general liberalization program on the part of a *Alexander II and a surviving *Nicholas Alexandrovich as Tsar Nicholas II.
 
Whereas the Crimean War is definitely not the moment (who's going to demand autonomy? The landlords? Shevchenko all by himself?), if Ukraine became independent in the 17th century it would still be known as Little Russia. A lot more plausible than a state managing to survive in Siberia, that's for sure.

Or say Poland-Lithuania does better and lasts longer but then breaks up in the *age of nationalism with the East Slavic bits becoming a country of their own" that's how I'd do 'East Russia' and 'West Russia'.
 
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