AHC/PC: Independent Philippines at the same time as Spanish America?

Yeah. That would be helpful. I'm trying to look and I don't see many people who could lead a revolt. No one notable that is. The Spanish still used 16th century galleons in the early 1800s, I learned. Imagine that. :rolleyes:

Even the Polish didn't use horse cavalry against tanks. ;)

I guess they're like the average EUIII newbie who forgot to upgrade his ships.
 
Even the Polish didn't use horse cavalry against tanks. ;)

I guess they're like the average EUIII newbie who forgot to upgrade his ships.

More like that one guy who everyone used to fear back in the old days but give or take a few centuries, and he's the laughing stock of the whole club to everyone else, even the new guys but the guy still thinks he's worth a damn.

If the Filipinos do win, how you think the indigneous languages will be treated? Spanish is probably going to be an official or THE official language of government.
 
Drago, Galleons were still in use in the 18th century. I doubt they were 16th century ones, as I'm fairly certain a wooden ship would've rotted away after two hundred years, or at least be rendered fairly useless. While Galleons were pretty useless as warships upon the advent of the Frigate and the Ship-of-the-Line, they were still viable cargo ships. Especially for the Spanish: they were probably utilized for the Manilla Galleon system. They're large size was perfect for carrying large amounts of cargo from Asia to Mexico in order to be shipped to Europe. So it's not really so ridiculous.

As for Brunei playing a role in this... not going to happen. By the 18th century, the Sultanate was certainly a shadow of it's former self. It's not going to have any great influence on any Philippine independence movement. Sorry, but your Bruneian wet dreams are gonna have to be focused earlier on. Even then, they lack power projection to accomplish much.
 
I think that Luzon could be independent and the Spanish completely expelled from there in the late 17th century because there was a Luzon-wide rebellion in the late 17th Century(Which was stopped by Juan Macapagal in OTL) but Brunei would likely be a problem to them, I am not planning to create a timeline based on this scenario.

I think Visayas and Christian Mindanao could unite as one state, I think they can be independent later after Luzon becomes independent.

As for Brunei playing a role in this... not going to happen. By the 18th century, the Sultanate was certainly a shadow of it's former self. It's not going to have any great influence on any Philippine independence movement. Sorry, but your Bruneian wet dreams are gonna have to be focused earlier on. Even then, they lack power projection to accomplish much.
I quite agree on that but I am not trying to wank them I am just saying my opinion...I kinda dislike Brunei actually.
 
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I'm curious if Spanish would be chosen as the sole official language of the Philipines or one out of many or discarded in exchange for another language?
 
I'm curious if Spanish would be chosen as the sole official language of the Philipines or one out of many or discarded in exchange for another language?


I think the Philippines will go balkanized if the americans did not come or Spain loses Philippines earlier and one of the successor states will have spanish as their official language.
 
Simple if these two events happen the Spanish will be out of the Philippines earlier or at least in the northern part of the philippines.

One would be amazed at how often some Macapagal from Pampanga would surface periodically at critical points in Philippine history. However, the Macapagal record is not that stellar. For, anywhere and anytime that someone with that name appears, the air would always reek with the stench of treachery.

The first Macapagal in history is a datu from Arayat, Juan Macapagal. A grandson of Lakandula, Don Juan was among the principalia during the early Spanish era. He betrayed his own people by assisting the Spaniards quell the Kapampangan and Pangasinan Revolts of 1660 and Ilocano Revolt of 1661. By his handiwork, many natives died. For his services he was handsomely compensated with an encomienda --- a.k.a. license to steal, cheat and plunder --- and named Maestre Campo General of the natives of Arayat, Candaba and Apalit.
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A defeat of the Macabebe scouts in this rebellion and later on a native polity will be established in the Northern part of the Philippines, the Muslim communities were not completely wiped out in this time, they could or might convert the population (back) to Islam to distance from Spanish influence but it will not be easy.

then later Koxinga invades which causes the Spanish to be completely kicked out, what I was thinking is how would the new polity react would they be friendly to Koxinga, I think the Macabebe scouts defeated and a Koxinga invasion can happen simultaneously.
 
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Maybe if "Luís Rodríguez Varela" a Philippine Creole who was actually part of European nobility[circa.1823], was not deported from the Philippines begun harboring 'secessionist ideas'. He might be a good start to begin a point of divergence.

But, Philippines is a weakling nation with little or no industrial capacity at that time in history. They might be able to beat the spanish colonial garrison in the island, but they would be left without a stable economy.

If the Philippine managed to become a kingdom or a republic and managed to industrialize before 1898 it would be a good chance that the kingdom of Philippines would clash with the Japanese Empire. Now that would be a hell of a story.
 
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