AHC/PC: Anatolia Mostly Hellenized

AHC/PC: Anatolia Mostly Hellenized 19th Century

Starting from the War of Greek Independence until know have Greece be able to Hellenize Anatolia and anything possibly beyond that. What will it take? Will it be how the Ottomans turkified the region? How does this affect things?
 
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Weren't there still a large minority of Greek speakers and ethnic Greeks still living in Anatolia at that point?
 
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "stop turkification"? Anatolia had been Greek for millennia.

But to answer the prompt, the first thing would be to stop the massacres of Greeks by the Turks. The second thing would be to stop the post war removal of Greeks from positions of authority and power within the Ottoman Empire.
 
Somehow turn the Greek War of Independence into an Ottoman civil war, where Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Wallachia, and Armenia revolt against the Ottomans.

This coalition is led in Athens, making its lingua franca Greek.

Egypt also revolts, and throw in the Janissaries as well while you're at it.

The rebels overthrow the Ottoman Empire, take over Anatolia and Armenia, and Slavs settle in Anatolia, who assimilate to the minority Greeks already there. Propped up by western powers, Rumelia and Anatolia is one united (and British puppeted) nation.

Egypt defeats the remaining Ottomans (led by the Janissaries), but welcomes Turkish immigration as it modernizes.
 
Weren't there still a large minority of Greek speakers and ethnic Greeks still living in Anatolia at that point?

Yes. But they were a minority. They need to be the majority.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "stop turkification"? Anatolia had been Greek for millennia.

But to answer the prompt, the first thing would be to stop the massacres of Greeks by the Turks. The second thing would be to stop the post war removal of Greeks from positions of authority and power within the Ottoman Empire.

Since I was referring to the post-Greek independence war period I had no better way of phrasing or.

Massacres definitely. But were they the ones from the 20th Century or what? Also how did removing Greeks from positions of authority affect things?
 
I feel like you'd essentially have only coastal west and north Turkey doable for this, and only by an even more massive population exchange and probable massacres IF Greece somehow won the war against Turkey post-WW1. :(

I find it a bit of fun irony the last areas of Greeks within Anatolia were the oldest-settled parts by them in antiquity...
 
I feel like you'd essentially have only coastal west and north Turkey doable for this, and only by an even more massive population exchange and probable massacres IF Greece somehow won the war against Turkey post-WW1. :(

I find it a bit of fun irony the last areas of Greeks within Anatolia were the oldest-settled parts by them in antiquity...

Then what made the turkification process doable and could Greece copy it? Then they don't have to resort to genocide which I would hate to see happen.
 
Then what made the turkification process doable and could Greece copy it? Then they don't have to resort to genocide which I would hate to see happen.

Turkification happened because the nomadic Seljuks depopulated most of Anatolia through war, resettled it (in fairly low numbers), and gave incentives toward the native Greek farmers toward conversion.

Turkification started in the 1070s after the Battle of Manzikert and Anatolian place names had become Turkish by the 1330s, indicating the majority had become Turkish even before 1453. Except for the western and northwestern coast of Anatolia, the area around Trabzon, which remained Greek, and the eastern end of Anatolia, which remained Armenian, until the early 20th century massacres.

The only way there would be enough people to make Anatolia Greek again post-1821, is if the Greeks allied with all the Christians in the Empire and overthrew it, instead of forming a purely Greek state. Then people learn Greek during industrialization.
 
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Turkification happened because the nomadic Seljuks depopulated most of Anatolia through war, resettled it (in fairly low numbers), and gave incentives toward the native Greek farmers toward conversion.

Turkification started in the 1070s after the Battle of Manzikert and Anatolian place names had become Turkish by the 1330s, indicating the majority had become Turkish even before 1453. Except for the western and northwestern coast of Anatolia, the area around Trabzon, which remained Greek, and the eastern end of Anatolia, which remained Armenian, until the early 20th century massacres.

The only way there would be enough people to make Anatolia Greek again post-1821, is if the Greeks allied with all the Christians in the Empire and overthrew it, instead of forming a purely Greek state. Then people learn Greek during industrialization.

Would a purely Greek state be formed through European support though?
 
A post-1820s is too late to Hellenize most of Anatolia realistically. You'd need to depopulate most of the region at that point which points to ongoing warfare akin to the 30 Years War - terrible and prolonged. Given the importance of controlling the straits, this would prompt a war over control of Constantinople - most likely a Russian invasion at some point.

So we are looking at a massive divergence from OTL. The Ottoman state needs to collapse into prolonged civil war,and this then becomes a greater European war. Russia invades, and in response other European powers intervene against Russia. So a generation or two after Napoleon, everything goes to hell. However, the most likely battleground here would be the Balkans, not Anatolia. We'd likely need Qajar Persia to intervene and invade Anatolia from the east, and a faction take control in Egypt who also invades from the south. So we are looking at a lot of political gymnastics and vastly different international order.

After a generation of horror, a relatively untouched Greek state moves into most of Anatolia and begins the process of Hellenization as much of the region is devastated and depopulated.
 
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