AHC: Pan-European Nationalism Post WWII

Your task is to get such a movement going after WWII that develops a pan-European state.

There were federalist ideas circulating around in the immediate aftermath of WWII, which were advocated by members of resistance groups. Perhaps the most notable advocate of European federalism was Altiero Spinelli and his Ventotene Manifesto, which was circulated within the Italian Resistance. In fact, he is considered OTL as one of the "founding fathers" of the European Union, and was a prominent member of the European Parliament during the 1980s...
 
The Nazis did not really advocate Pan-Europeanism.

Reminds me of that former Waffen-SS guy I once met who was a die hard Pan-European.
Sadly he passed away some years ago, he had some interesting story's.

But back to the op, there was the Paneuropa-Union which was founded in 1923 and had a lot of influential members.
 
To have a pan-european nationalism,you need many people to feel european. Which was not the case.

All this is ASB.

It's been close to 90 years that there has been a self-named european movement that wanted to build a United States of Europe. And it has not created any begining of feeling of being a european nation in a significant amount of people's minds.

It won't and It probably never will because technologies and cultural realities favourable the conservation of curent national identities and even the emerging of micro/regional identities.
 
To have a pan-european nationalism,you need many people to feel european. Which was not the case.

All this is ASB.

It's been close to 90 years that there has been a self-named european movement that wanted to build a United States of Europe. And it has not created any begining of feeling of being a european nation in a significant amount of people's minds.

It won't and It probably never will because technologies and cultural realities favourable the conservation of curent national identities and even the emerging of micro/regional identities.

You underestimate how many people support that idea. Maybe not enough and maybe not enough support due to how the current EU is structured (Damn it euro!) but if the PODs are right like lesser US support and greater Soviet threat I think at least Western Europe will try to get its act together.
 
To have a pan-european nationalism,you need many people to feel european. Which was not the case.

All this is ASB.

It's been close to 90 years that there has been a self-named european movement that wanted to build a United States of Europe. And it has not created any begining of feeling of being a european nation in a significant amount of people's minds.

It won't and It probably never will because technologies and cultural realities favourable the conservation of curent national identities and even the emerging of micro/regional identities.

Well, a number of the regional identities OTL also regard themselves as Europeans along with these identities (like the Scots and Catalans, for example)...I mean, why is it that they say that Brexit=Scottish independence, so that Scotland could stay in EU?
Or this Catalan regionalist/nationalist on ah.com (La Spezia) who's also supportive of eurofederalism?
I find that weird, tbh, but these things do exist...

I've been thinking what if the process of intergovernmental-lization wasn't as stalled as it was in OTL? France was supranational which did hamper the unification process.

You need to have de Gaulle end up dying or incapacitated somehow...this means that he can't be called back, which led to the Fourth Republic being replaced by the Fifth Republic. Without that, this means that the Fourth Republic would last longer and possibly undergo reforms, and they would only have to deal with Algeria...
However, this could all go down the crapper and end up worse than OTL...
Plan G lurks in the background...

And BTW, France was more supportive of intergovernmental/confederal EU, rather than supranational/federal...
 
You need to have de Gaulle end up dying or incapacitated somehow...this means that he can't be called back, which led to the Fourth Republic being replaced by the Fifth Republic. Without that, this means that the Fourth Republic would last longer and possibly undergo reforms, and they would only have to deal with Algeria...
However, this could all go down the crapper and end up worse than OTL...
Plan G lurks in the background...

And BTW, France was more supportive of intergovernmental/confederal EU, rather than supranational/federal...

How would it go bad?
 
How would it go bad?

Because of the pied-noirs ("Algerie francaise")...
Also, there's Britain's Plan G, which was this idea of a European FTA of 17 countries that the "Inner 6" (founding members of the ECSC and EEC-France, [West] Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands) saw as an attempt to sabotage the EEC, ultimately was scuttled by de Gaulle when he came to power and said that he would uphold the Treaty of Rome, contrary to expectations...
(Yep, this means that de Gaulle semi-inadvertently ensured that the EU would exist).
 
Because of the pied-noirs ("Algerie francaise")...
Also, there's Britain's Plan G, which was this idea of a European FTA of 17 countries that the "Inner 6" (founding members of the ECSC and EEC-France, [West] Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands) saw as an attempt to sabotage the EEC, ultimately was scuttled by de Gaulle when he came to power and said that he would uphold the Treaty of Rome, contrary to expectations...
(Yep, this means that de Gaulle semi-inadvertently ensured that the EU would exist).

I don't get it.
 
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