AHC: Ottomans convert to Christianity as late as possible

I feel that the latest this could be accomplished is with the conquest of Constantinople. Im not saying that it would be easy, however if they remain Islamic immediately after Constantinople's fall they will never convert.
 
Depends on the year. The only point I see this occurring is in the very early 1300s under Osman. This however would likely just lead to the Ottoman state being a defensive vassal of Byzantium.

Hey, that's quite interesting idea- if they get beaten by Byzzies... Although commander able to accomplish such feat at this point would most likely simply reconquer at least coastal Anatolia rather than keep them as vassals.
 
This is impossible. He would've been overthrown and executed as soon word came out that he became an apostate. The only remotely possible chance is either the Byzantines recover during the 13th century and the Ottomans enter into their orbit; the sultan decides to convert to Christianity to remain under the Emperor's good graces OR you have a usurper convert to Christianity and is likely exiled in some European country. The latter is OTL.

Cem married an Italian noblewoman and sired several heirs. One of those descendants hold the title of Prince of Sayd, given to him by the Pope.
 
Not going to happen. Muslims converting is anathema, and you'd have to have a Christian empire take the territory over, and effectively prevent the killing of converts. Good luck with that.

Moreover, if some other Empire rules the area, and Anatolia slowly converts over several centuries, how is this 'Ottomans' converting.

So. No.
 
I seem to recall during the Crusades that there were occasional diplomatic overtures between various Crusader and Muslim rulers that treated the idea of converting as more plausible than the standard 'muslims wont convert' point of view.
 
Not going to happen. Muslims converting is anathema, and you'd have to have a Christian empire take the territory over, and effectively prevent the killing of converts. Good luck with that.

Moreover, if some other Empire rules the area, and Anatolia slowly converts over several centuries, how is this 'Ottomans' converting.

So. No.


In almost any religion it is disliked to convert, like uhh. Having a out of reach Turkmen is not too hard and foreseeable, having anyone convert in a stage of pre eminence is unlikely but in the early periods this was not the case.
 
Depends on the year. The only point I see this occurring is in the very early 1300s under Osman. This however would likely just lead to the Ottoman state being a defensive vassal of Byzantium.

This.
(And other posts to the same effeect below).
The Ottomans as we know them weren't going to convert AND remain anywhere near power. The absolute latest date for this being somewhere in the realm of possibility, everything else being historical, is probably about the time of the conquest of Adrianople around 1360. But unlikely even then.
 
In almost any religion it is disliked to convert, like uhh. Having a out of reach Turkmen is not too hard and foreseeable, having anyone convert in a stage of pre eminence is unlikely but in the early periods this was not the case.

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Having Ottoman TERRITORY convert (back) is entirely possible, although it would take a while. Having the OTTOMANs themselves convert isn't.

If the ruling family converts, the power structure will depose them. So you have to replace the power structure, and therefore, almost certainly, the family.

Similarly, if a Carolingian, Capetian, Plantagenet, Bourbon, Hapsburg or Hohenzollern converted to Islam, they too would be deposed.

So "Hapsburgs/Carolingians/Capetians/Plantagenets/Hohenzollerns convert to Islam" is trivially more likely than Ottomans converting to Christianity, but astronomically improbably.
 
What's the latest the Ottomans can convert to Christianity? How would it happen?

The early Turks stay Tengriist longer and later convert to Greek Christianity due to their leaders decisions. They eventually conquer Anatolia and erect a Christian kingdom. Later the Turkish Christian Empire has an emperor , a Caesar- a Sezar (Sezar is Türkisch for Caesar, the Slavs adapted Caesar as tsar)
 
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The early Turks stay Tengriist longer and later convert to Greek Christianity due to their leaders decisions. They eventually conquer Anatolia and erect a Christian kingdom. Later the Turkish Christian Empire has an emperor , a Caesar- a Sezar (Sezar is Türkisch for Caesar, the Slavs adapted Caesar as tsar)

Ya. But that long predates Osman. So, while that could be a TURKISH Christian state, it's not an OTTOMAN Christian one.
 
Ya. But that long predates Osman. So, while that could be a TURKISH Christian state, it's not an OTTOMAN Christian one.

Well, in my scenario the Ottomans would perhaps be buterflied away, but maybe Osman still exists and is instead a Christian ruler instead. But the problem is, Osman is an Arabic Muslim name, so that would be conflicting.
 
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Having Ottoman TERRITORY convert (back) is entirely possible, although it would take a while. Having the OTTOMANs themselves convert isn't.

If the ruling family converts, the power structure will depose them. So you have to replace the power structure, and therefore, almost certainly, the family.

Similarly, if a Carolingian, Capetian, Plantagenet, Bourbon, Hapsburg or Hohenzollern converted to Islam, they too would be deposed.

So "Hapsburgs/Carolingians/Capetians/Plantagenets/Hohenzollerns convert to Islam" is trivially more likely than Ottomans converting to Christianity, but astronomically improbably.

Again not in the early period... An early defeat and the death of the Ulema support of Osman would allow any religion he would like to prevail. The Turks were not pious without their Ulema by their side, it is likely that they rarely prayed. Further maybe Turcopole Chiefs converted at the arrival of the Crusaders or the Armenians, they weren't deposed.
 
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