AHC: North America under Mexican control

Your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is to have the North American continent (including the mainland U.S., Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Central America and the West Indies) under Mexican control. Bonus points if Mexico also gains control territories outside of North America as well.
 
Your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is to have the North American continent (including the mainland U.S., Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Central America and the West Indies) under Mexican control. Bonus points if Mexico also gains control territories outside of North America as well.

A somewhat expanded Sobelian Mexico, perhaps? *Canada(excluding B.C.) is probably out of reach regardless of the POD, as is Greenland, but For Want of a Nail's Mexico did include all of the Pacific Northwest and even Hawa'ii, and probably could have taken the rest of Central America and even at least some of the West Indies without too many issues.
 
I agree with CaliBoy. Canada and New England and the surrounding areas would be difficult as there was little to no Spanish exploration or immigration.
 
yeah, Canada is stretching it beyond any sort of credibility. However, get rid of Spain turning over Louisiana to Napoleon, and you have a Spain in control of half the OTL US (everything west of Mississippi River and Florida with the panhandle extended to New Orleans) I posited this in my World without Napoleon threads, which has the French Revolution dying out in 1797. From there, keep New Spain together while the Europeans populate Florida/Louisiana territory/California/Texas. Let's say the US tries taking Florida/New Orleans by force and are defeated - not really all that implausible since Spain is a greater military power with the revolutionary wars ending in 1797. Under the strain of defeat, the US may splinter. The European flavored northern section of New Spain will likely come to dominate the colony, but may assimilate enough to keep the colony intact if it manages to break free of Spain. You can get whacky and have a Spanish Prince assume the throne of a breakaway New Spain. This may enthuse central american colonies to join up with them. Phillipines are managed by New Spain OTL, so let's say they stay with the new nation. Obviously, decent management is needed for any new nation to go anywhere, so viola, Mexico is given good management (let's attribute it to the burgeoning northern territories). From there, Hawaii is doable. Mexico basically takes the role of OTL US. Couple this with some sort of cataclysm in Spain which makes it feasible for Mexico to absorb the carribean spanish territories. Not likely, but not entirely ASB.
 

Mr.Stookey

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Spain keeps the old South-West (Alabama and Mississippi) and Louisana. And some how got the Oregon Country.

Later, Mexico buys Alaska and occupies Central America and the Caribbean.

This also means most of Western Canada. I can see them easily getting Hawii and the Philippines.

Mexico becomes the SuperPower, while the US splits up. After a World War Mexico annexes the former US (the 13 colonies)

Don't know about Eastern Canada
 
What would it take for Jamestown to fail in 1607?
The natives deciding not to feed the settlers.


I don't think Mexico having all of Canada is that out of the question. If Puerto Rico and Alaska can be brought under the same umbrella OTL, it could certainly happen a different way.
 
It would require the Spanish to hold onto more of the southeast - whether they build up in the early colonial period or are more successful at keeping the French out of Louisiana or keeping it after the Seven Years War. This would most certainly involve more competition over the eastern seaboard from colonial powers or a failed US.

Then comes the equally hard part of keeping this Mexi-wank together after independence.
 
I am in general agreement with several of the posts here. Current Mexico, the Louisiana Territory, the Floridas, the Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, parts of Central America, parts of OTL Western Canada. Additionally, I could see, after a POD where Spain keeps Louisiana and Mexico becomes independent, a war with the United States. If Mexico wins, then they might take some territory off the US, perhaps the Old Southwest south of the Tennessee River and southeastern Georgia, as well as some frontage on the western Great Lakes. This Mega-Mexico would likely have the resources and population base to make it one of, if not the, most powerful nations in the world.
 
Would this giga-Mexico be able to hold on to the Northern Areas at all? I'd think to have it succeed, you'd need it to steal the pull of the US. There's also the not insignificant geographical boundaries between Mexico proper (the densely populated Southern End) and what's now the US.
 

Mr.Stookey

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How about have the Spanish Armada succeed which keeps the facade of Spanish naval supremacy around longer and also sets England back some years. Also have the Catholics win the French Wars of Religion giving you a France that is friendly to Spain for some time. Have Philip II's first son never die and have him be a colony focused man or reform focused man. Respectively this means more influx of resources towards the colonies or a better overall Spain that can maintain its #1 position much longer allowing for more colonial growth.

Alternatively have Isabella and Ferdinand allow for all. The Spanish kingdoms to colonise instead of just Castile. This means more colonies and more Spanish people in the New World. The top class Aragonese sailors could colonise a lot. And the different kingdoms would colonise different parts of the continent. And make their cultures blend together under a Mexican government which later breaks free from the homeland.

Yeah, have Spain take over Great Britain with the "Spanish Armada". Spain takes all of her colonies as as well.

So Spain now owns all of North America. The capital is Mexico City of course.

Years later, Mexico becomes a nation with all this land.

I just won this thread
 
Yeah, have Spain take over Great Britain with the "Spanish Armada". Spain takes all of her colonies as as well.

So Spain now owns all of North America. The capital is Mexico City of course.

Years later, Mexico becomes a nation with all this land.

I just won this thread

I concur. You need "Spanish North America" for this to work.
 
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