AHC: Non-white Europe

Some kind of Muslim-wank that sees them dominate most of Southern/Eastern Europe, and parts of Western Europe, mixing with the local populations to create a majority class that the other Europeans consider outside of "whiteness"?
 
Well, what would you define as Europe?

If we're defining it as basically continental Europe and exlcuding the Ural areas and beyond of Russia, I am thinking a much worse Black Plague and the Ottomans and people of North Africa sweeping in. The survivoring minority whites would end up mixing and assimilating into their new neighbors while their distinct cultural influence would be enough to form new nations and probably preserve some languages, especially if the minority whites would maintain some form of rule in certain areas, enough so that the new majority people coming in from North Africa and so on would be enough to fill in the void and take in some aspects of the culture.
 
Very very hard to do unless you radically change the criteria for “whiteness” to exclude eastern and Southern Europeans.

Well, I bet that we would think otherwise if we'd live in the Inca/Aztec/African/Asian/Muslin-wank scenario. Deadly diseases such as Black Plague could help that to be more plausible.

Some kind of Muslim-wank that sees them dominate most of Southern/Eastern Europe, and parts of Western Europe, mixing with the local populations to create a majority class that the other Europeans consider outside of "whiteness"?

I see reverse Spanish policy in the New World here.

If we're defining it as basically continental Europe and exlcuding the Ural areas and beyond of Russia, I am thinking a much worse Black Plague and the Ottomans and people of North Africa sweeping in. The survivoring minority whites would end up mixing and assimilating into their new neighbors while their distinct cultural influence would be enough to form new nations and probably preserve some languages, especially if the minority whites would maintain some form of rule in certain areas, enough so that the new majority people coming in from North Africa and so on would be enough to fill in the void and take in some aspects of the culture.

Europe from Ural/Caucasus to Lisbon and Great Britain.

Maybe Black Plague could be upgraded by a some sort of HIV-like virus?
 
Am I the only one who finds these sort of threads a little bit disturbing?

Why? Americas turned from being dominated by Americans to people of European/partially-European descent. This is just a question on how Europeans could be changed.

And ‘white’.

Well, by any counting means, majority of people living in Europe has a light skin (less or more white if we take Southern and Northern Europe).
 
I think that only way would be that firstly Mongols are succesful conquer Europe and kill lot of people and then worse Black Death kills too lot of people. But I am not sure if even that would help make whites minority in Europe. Perhaps in Balkans, Iberia and Italy but I doubt that anywhere else.
 
Well, I bet that we would think otherwise if we'd live in the Inca/Aztec/African/Asian/Muslin-wank scenario. Deadly diseases such as Black Plague could help that to be more plausible.
Beyond the potential genocide, it's what the European far right says we're headed towards, with white population "replaced" or "diluted".
So that subject can make people uncomfortable because it can act as bait for those people and can lead to some very uncomfortable discussions.
If you're not from Western Europe, I doubt you'd be aware!
 
Why? Americas turned from being dominated by Americans to people of European/partially-European descent. This is just a question on how Europeans could be changed.



Well, by any counting means, majority of people living in Europe has a light skin (less or more white if we take Southern and Northern Europe).

I get that. It's just a nagging feeling I get sometimes.

As for Muslim invasions, subsaharan Islamic Africa is still fairly black. I doubt that'd be enough for Europe to change colors and any pesky germs would impact the Invaders just as much...and Arabs are fairly white.
 
So that subject can make people uncomfortable because it can act as bait for those people and can lead to some very uncomfortable discussions.

I don't understand why people consider it as a bait or something. It's an alternate history! In OTL we are free to discuss about Spanish treatment of Mesoamericans and South Americans they have literally created new ethnic and cultural groups through marriages between Spanish and Natives. It's a basically the same thing.

and Arabs are fairly white.

They are. But other ethnic groups have darker skin color than them. Africans, Americans, Australians or Asians.
 
I get that. It's just a nagging feeling I get sometimes.

As for Muslim invasions, subsaharan Islamic Africa is still fairly black. I doubt that'd be enough for Europe to change colors and any pesky germs would impact the Invaders just as much...and Arabs are fairly white.
Between a European from Southern Italy and an Arab from Tunisia, it is not possible to tell.
Last I was in the Medina and I got a bit of sun, people started talking Arabic to me.

Anyway, to answer the OP, something like Brazil might work, or colonisations more accepting of métissage. When décolonisation happens, those métis population come back

Now to be honest, we are probably headed that way in a century or so. The big issue in term of discourse is not as much the threat from DNA but the issues with cultures and fears related to that. I will NOT get into those topics
 
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