AHC:No red scare

so with a pod after 1900 but with the Soviet Union still existing how can you prevent the Red scare?

Simple, internal strife causes them to collapse under the weight of WW2 and the rabble rousers in other countries can't get into power. One possibility is that the US doesn't get involved in WW2 and Japan goes after the USSR, and the leadership handles a two-front war poorly. The USSR collapses soon after WW2 and the whole region goes unstable.
 
Simple, internal strife causes them to collapse under the weight of WW2 and the rabble rousers in other countries can't get into power. One possibility is that the US doesn't get involved in WW2 and Japan goes after the USSR, and the leadership handles a two-front war poorly. The USSR collapses soon after WW2 and the whole region goes unstable.
I was thinking of something where socalism and communism become more popular with no red scare but that works too
 
There is some options:

1. Soviet Union not ever become very strong country and it is eternally much weaker that it was even before OTL WW2.
2. Soviet Union develops more democratic direction.
3. No WW2 so Soviet Union not expand its influence beyond its 1939 borders.
4. Nazis win WW2 and Soviets retreat behind of Urals.
 
I was thinking of something where socalism and communism become more popular with no red scare but that works too

The other possibility is that the USSR moderates, becomes at least semi-democratic, and doesn't appear nearly as scary to outsiders. Economically it becomes a more left-wing version of Sweden, and communism is just seen as socialism's left edge. That's the nice possibility. That way the US and USSR still become rivals but it's more friendly and less based in hate and fear; the two nations simply compete at least semi-ethically.

It would probably be better for the US, since socialism would look very good to disenfranchised blacks and young people.
 

Thomas1195

Banned
Red Scare--that of 1919
I think to prevent Red Scare, since the condition is to have the USSR still exist, the only way to prevent it is to have the Poles winning the Polish-Soviet war thoroughly and create an independent Ukraine, maybe by having the Entente dumping their surplus armaments to the Poles on a much larger scale (including tanks if possible) and allowing them to outgun the Soviets.
 
It wasn’t the lack of democracy in the USSR that scared the West-it was the economic structure of Soviet society. So in order to not have the red scare happen, you’d basically need the USA and Western Europe to also be socialist and have good relations with the USSR. Both of those are fairly implausible to achieve by both Red Scares
 

iVC

Donor
how can you prevent the Red scare?

I always thought that the 'Red Scare' term is about certain period in 1917-1920 when there was an overwhelming anxiety that a Bolshevik revolution in America (or Europe) is imminent... Eugene Debs as the bogey-man...
 
The Red Scare of the World War I era in the US actually started *before* the Bolshevik revolution, because of the US Socialist Party's position against the US entering the war...
 
Lenin lives a bit longer solidifying NEP and names a moderate successor(s) freezing Stalin out and stopping the rise of a strongman aka a Red Tsar. There is no collectivization, no purges, but a focus on rebuilding, social policy, and less enmity with the West (the Soviets were petrified by the Allies after their half-hearted attempt to crush them).

The issue I have with the Soviets (Stalinists) is that they are simply the Tsarist regime with a new paint job. The state controls/owns everything, a single man controls the state, and the people once again are crushed at the whims of a single figure. One needs to spread that power around, maybe even devolve power to local Soviets to make a real difference.
 
Have a revolution in the USA before the 50s, probably by not having Teddy Roosevelt come to power and therefore no Progressive Era.


Oh, but there'd still be the first Red Scare in the 20s...
 
Have a revolution in the USA before the 50s, probably by not having Teddy Roosevelt come to power and therefore no Progressive Era.


Oh, but there'd still be the first Red Scare in the 20s...



Might be suppressed if the USA goes commie but in that case I have a feeling the USA may lose Alaska to the canucks in the case of a revolution
 
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