AHC: No German Unification

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Curtain Jerker, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. Eivind Well-Known Member

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    Strictly speaking, as Austria was considered part of Germany at the time, Germany never really became totally United. But that aside, With a POD in 1802 it should be fairly easy. Just make sure that France remains as powerful as possible. Probably Napoleon dying before he goes too far to provoke his neighbours might help.
     
  2. JackLumber Mildly belligerent Canuck

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    Austria not being German is a modern concept that only exists because the allies wanted it to.
     
  3. NolanFoster Tulsi 2020

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    I'm not sure what your motivations are for saying this, but you're actually right. Ideas, including ideas about what define a nation, evolve to achieve political objectives. Moreover, they develop in reference to and against other ideas. Austria is not part of Germany because the only successful unification occurred by a regime whose key ideas of Grossdeutschland and very legacy needed to be blotted from German (and Austrian) identity uncompromisingly and completely. All of civil society and the political spectrum, from conservatives to social democrats, subscribed to this project and nation-built two very non-Nazi states.

    I'm not saying this was bad. This was good and accomplished what it was meant to do, and the death of the idea of a greater Germany certainly played some part in hampering a renewed German militarism like some feared after 1945.
     
  4. JackLumber Mildly belligerent Canuck

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    I have no motive, i was just stating a fact.
    I wouldnt say it was good or bad really as long as it is/was done peacefully i see no inherent issue with unification between the two but i do understand that nazism casts an ugly ugly shadow on it
     
  5. Socrates Well-Known Member

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    It was united in the 1930s.
     
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