AHC: No Devolution in the UK (Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland)

So this challenge surrounds the idea of devolution, and how to eliminate it from the UK (except for London, and metropolitan areas) in the constituent countries.

Also feel free to discuss the What If side of this.
 
Sorry but why should London (and the other cities) get it if the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish don't?

That is a recipe for even more antipathy towards London than already exists.

The desire for some sort of self rule is long established in those countries it would take a lot to remove that desire.
 
Also your basically forgetting that Northern Ireland had devolution since it was created in 1921 and the new NI Assembly was a vital part of the peace agreement there
 
Sorry but why should London (and the other cities) get it if the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish don't?

That is a recipe for even more antipathy towards London than already exists.

The desire for some sort of self rule is long established in those countries it would take a lot to remove that desire.

I believe he is suggesting that rather than constituent nations get it each metropolitan area would get it, ie, Glasgow would govern their own as would Cardiff?

Seems pretty weird to me anyway.

I don't think this is that possible after 1900 without some serious revolution, either communist or fascist that drastically changes the way the UK is governed. Something major would have to happen to start with as Scotland and England+Wales have always had separate legal and education systems and bringing that down is quite a significant hurdle.
 
Perhaps I should have been clearer; this AHC is about avoiding the 1990s devolution (by having referendums fail) under Tony Blair.

Northern Ireland can be done by having their assembly suspended with direct rule from Westminster in modern day, or perhaps NI being integrated in the late 20th century, but definitely try to have some more normal politics there.
 
You've made several threads on this in the past, and you keep getting more or less the same answers, so not sure why this is all that necessary except as evidence you have a very specific political interest in this issue.

If we're talking of devolution as an issue from the 1990s onwards than Welsh devolution could clearly fail in the 1997 referendum, which would have knock-ons on regional devolution, but Scotland was from your POV 'a hopeless case' by then. There was no chance of The Province being 'integrated' by the 1990s, either.
 

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Perhaps I should have been clearer; this AHC is about avoiding the 1990s devolution (by having referendums fail) under Tony Blair.

Northern Ireland can be done by having their assembly suspended with direct rule from Westminster in modern day, or perhaps NI being integrated in the late 20th century, but definitely try to have some more normal politics there.

Northern Ireland has had a Parliament of some kind (even if it's suspended) since the Republic gained independence, as has been mentioned already. I can't see much of a possibility of taking that away, despite it being sometimes suspended, due to the cultural, social and political differences over there. I'm not quite sure what you mean by trying to have "more normal politics" in NI either, unless you mean the British norm of Tory/Labour/Lib Dem politics - which just isn't going to happen in Northern Ireland. Local concerns, unionism, republicanism, religion all conspire to entrench the current system.
 
Northern Ireland can be done by having their assembly suspended with direct rule from Westminster in modern day, or perhaps NI being integrated in the late 20th century, but definitely try to have some more normal politics there.

As mentioned restarting Stormont was a key part of the GFA, something that both sides of the spectrum wanted for different reasons. Moreover as mentioned you are never going to get "normal" politics in NI, arguable it's never had "normal" politics.
 
Perhaps I should have been clearer; this AHC is about avoiding the 1990s devolution (by having referendums fail) under Tony Blair.

Northern Ireland can be done by having their assembly suspended with direct rule from Westminster in modern day, or perhaps NI being integrated in the late 20th century, but definitely try to have some more normal politics there.

Nigh on impossible the have the Scottish referendum fail unless you are going to rewrite the entire political landscape of the 80s and 90s.
 
Nigh on impossible the have the Scottish referendum fail unless you are going to rewrite the entire political landscape of the 80s and 90s.

Perhaps have the 1979 referendum succeed but the resulting assembly proves so terrible/gridlocked it is dissolved and everyone is rather soured on the idea of devolution for a long time. Admittedly that would take a lot for that to happen but it is possible.

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