AHC: Nice Guy Nazis

With a POD after Hitler's rise to power and either no World War II or no German victory in World War II, have Nazism be considered an acceptable political ideology in the Western democracies.

EDIT: What I mean is more, not that Nazism as it was practiced in Germany is acceptable, but that a sizable population of Westerners (living in democracies) views Nazi imagery and symbolism, accurately or not, as positive.
 
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I don't think it was possible. It was an unreformable, unmoderatable, degenerate ideology and all the people beneath Hitler who could have taken over were every bit as crazy as he was except for maybe Goering, and even he was very far out there.
 

Loghain

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I don't think it was possible. It was an unreformable, unmoderatable, degenerate ideology and all the people beneath Hitler who could have taken over were every bit as crazy as he was except for maybe Goering, and even he was very far out there.

so you say move this into ASB ?
 
Nice Nazis aren't Nazis. Racial bigotry, genocide, wars of aggression, hatred, political violence, oppression, etc. aren't bugs of Nazism, they are features. Mass murder is the central goal.

Remove that and they aren't Nazis anymore. They are generic fascist group 327.

It would be like communism, but without that pesky class warfare thing.
 
The title is a Oxymoron and therefore is ASB. you cannot take the Nasty out of Nazi and still have a National Socialist Government, sorry evil begats evil end of story.
 

Loghain

Banned
The title is a Oxymoron and therefore is ASB. you cannot take the Nasty out of Nazi and still have a National Socialist Government, sorry evil begats evil end of story.

Actually you might have Very Racist Jim Crow Era state without genocide, Combined with fascism, would take significiant POD throught
 
compared to what nazis were OTL ? Yes it would be better.

Sure. Now, at least for me, there's some distance between "nice" and "better than the Nazis". Stalin's USSR, for instance, would already qualify for the latter. But it wasn't "nice".
 

Loghain

Banned
Sure. Now, at least for me, there's some distance between "nice" and "better than the Nazis". Stalin's USSR, for instance, would already qualify for the latter. But it wasn't "nice".

I understand you feel strongly about this so i dont want to cause any miseunderstandings.
 
I understand you feel strongly about this so i dont want to cause any miseunderstandings.

I understand you have less discrete intervals of judgement so I don't want to cause any misunderstandings.

- "Hi, was the movie nice?"
- "Oh yes! It was better than living in Nazi Germany!"
 
Hitler gets addicted to cocaine before being chancellor. When he becomes chancellor he goes full-retard right off the bat killing those in mental instituions. Germany's Catholics are aghast. Enabling Act fails due to popular resistance, even though the vote is rigged. When Hindenburg dies, Hitler runs for President and loses, but because his party still has enough seats he stays as chancellor. THe result is that Germany never leaves its 1933-34 form of government. Nazis have power, but not too much. SA is still liquidated and then Hitler has Himmler killed off, as his over-radicalized racial policies are seen as the same as his mentally insane-killing policies.

Hitler runs a sort of evil government, but avoids war. When he dies in 1943 from the effects of drugs and Parkinsons, the Nazis still retain power because "they got us out of the Depression." They drop the evilness and become more of a market-socialist party. Nazisim is seen as a positive ideology, with its origins justified as "they being simply men of their time," just like how Lincoln's "ship all the blacks to Africa" views have been clouded by his subsequent achievements.
 
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