AHC: Native European monarchs

With a POD of 1815, have the Greeks gain a native monarch in 1830 when they gain independence from the Ottomans and have the Romanian Cuza Dynasty survive.

What impact will this have on Europe?
 
potentailly stupid question, but did Greece even have a nobility of note after several centuries of Ottoman rule?
 
Perhaps there is a famous Greek leader who becomes an important general and takes the throne?

I must admit I don't know all that much about the Greek War of Independence. I do know, however, they were very sectarian and it wouldn't be that difficult for someone to pull a Napoleon, especially if they take more than what they had OTL.
 
Perhaps there is a famous Greek leader who becomes an important general and takes the throne?

I must admit I don't know all that much about the Greek War of Independence. I do know, however, they were very sectarian and it wouldn't be that difficult for someone to pull a Napoleon, especially if they take more than what they had OTL.

I think that it is only way. But him should marry someone European royalty that he could be believeable king. And perhaps he could try to claim being descedant of emperor of Byzantine. And this not be true so long when he can prove this with believeable way.
 
Perhaps there is a famous Greek leader who becomes an important general and takes the throne?

I must admit I don't know all that much about the Greek War of Independence. I do know, however, they were very sectarian and it wouldn't be that difficult for someone to pull a Napoleon, especially if they take more than what they had OTL.

Or what if instead of a tyrannic emperor. The Greek General is like Washington and is offered the crown, he takes it on the condition its a constitutional monarchy.
 
I think that it is only way. But him should marry someone European royalty that he could be believeable king. And perhaps he could try to claim being descedant of emperor of Byzantine. And this not be true so long when he can prove this with believeable way.

There isn't really a heritidge list of greek nobility like Britain, where most nobels can trace back their linerage.
A reasonable thing would be a illegitamit ancestory.
 
potentailly stupid question, but did Greece even have a nobility of note after several centuries of Ottoman rule?

Strictly speaking, no, but that doesn't mean a particularly influential leader of the Greek independence war can't become a monarch. So they'd get a Kolokotroneoi dynasty or something.
 
Strictly speaking, no, but that doesn't mean a particularly influential leader of the Greek independence war can't become a monarch. So they'd get a Kolokotroneoi dynasty or something.

Sure, an influential leader could prehaps pull it off, but you can bet on the rest of the european royality looking down on them (to differing degrees) for being uppity commoners, and not someone invited to join in the royal gatherings, unless he manages to successfully marry into a desolate royal family (say some german house)
 
Sure, an influential leader could prehaps pull it off, but you can bet on the rest of the european royality looking down on them (to differing degrees) for being uppity commoners, and not someone invited to join in the royal gatherings, unless he manages to successfully marry into a desolate royal family (say some german house)

There would definitely be disrespect and obnoxious elitism directed against them, but judging by the experience of Serbian and Montenegrin native dynasties, the ruling house of Greece should be able to intermarry with a prestigious German or Russian noble family by the time the fourth generation comes of age (late XIX century). Maybe even earlier. After that happens I imagine they will be more or less accepted as part of the club.
 
Perhaps the Kapodistrias brothers might be persuaded to do it? And the Kantakouzenoi certainly had descent from Byzantium, along with the Doukai.

Otherwise, I would refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_head_of_state_referendum,_1862 - I know its Wikipedia, but the number are accurate. It doesn't look that great for Prince Ypsilantis, the sole Greek candidate, with 6 votes. Now, the fact that OTL King George of Greece received the same amount of votes doesn't mean squat: he was supported by the Great Powers, chiefly Britain. Thus, new states in Europe are going to select foreign candidates just to convince the Powers that they ought to exist as a state - the Obrenovici in Serbia never got a high-ranking marriage, neither did the Zogu. So even after the Powers had forced one shit King on the Greeks, they still wanted a Western European - the same with Belgium, with Bulgaria, and eventually with Romania. A foreign King is someone who the whole heterogenous population could hate, unlike people like Cuza, who were detested by specific factions and were therefore much weaker.
 
Otherwise, I would refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_head_of_state_referendum,_1862 - I know its Wikipedia, but the number are accurate. It doesn't look that great for Prince Ypsilantis, the sole Greek candidate, with 6 votes. Now, the fact that OTL King George of Greece received the same amount of votes doesn't mean squat: he was supported by the Great Powers, chiefly Britain. Thus, new states in Europe are going to select foreign candidates just to convince the Powers that they ought to exist as a state - the Obrenovici in Serbia never got a high-ranking marriage, neither did the Zogu. So even after the Powers had forced one shit King on the Greeks, they still wanted a Western European - the same with Belgium, with Bulgaria, and eventually with Romania. A foreign King is someone who the whole heterogenous population could hate, unlike people like Cuza, who were detested by specific factions and were therefore much weaker.

That referendum is a gold mine. 1,763 votes for "A King", and then there's the 1,917 much more selective and discerning individuals who voted for "An Orthodox King". And then there are the votes for "Long Live The Three Powers", Garibaldi, and "a Russian Prince" phrased in about 6 different ways.

The Obrenovic were going to get a reasonably prestigious marriage with House Schaumburg-Lippe, before the young King had one of his episodes and married a local maid. Zogu also got to marry a daughter of the Hungarian Count de Nagy-Appony.
 
That referendum is a gold mine. 1,763 votes for "A King", and then there's the 1,917 much more selective and discerning individuals who voted for "An Orthodox King". And then there are the votes for "Long Live The Three Powers", Garibaldi, and "a Russian Prince" phrased in about 6 different ways.

The Obrenovic were going to get a reasonably prestigious marriage with House Schaumburg-Lippe, before the young King had one of his episodes and married a local maid. Zogu also got to marry a daughter of the Hungarian Count de Nagy-Appony.

So actually. If that Greek guy had gotten one more vote, he very plausibly could have been king. And then those guys who voted for "a king" and "an orthodox king" would also be happy. Actually from the sound of things he's a half decent compromise pick, he wouldn't piss off any of the great powers.
 
The title was a bit confusing about this thread's topic, I thought at first it meaned more native-born crowns heads so to speak, Greece included indeed. And perhaps even a king of the only 'aborigenal' peoples of Europe, those Saami ('Lapps').

Which now that I think about it, could be a fascinating ATL - A Saami king, maybe of a state of Finland or such. :eek:
 
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