AHC: Native American Nations to become US States?

Is it posible that for some reason most Native Americans fight wight the rebells during the American Revolution and afterwards some tribal territories are accepted into the Union as States?

Could only work for the more civilized & settled tribes, I guess.
So initally the Iroques tribes and the "five civilized nations", later on maybe the Hopi and Navajo.

They would make for very small states, but not much worse than Rhode Island. Maybe they get only one Senat vote, or an Puerto Rico like status.

Is it in any way posible to have them in the American camp and beeing treated fair afterwards?
Maybe the French could arrange something.
 
Is it posible that for some reason most Native Americans fight wight the rebells during the American Revolution and afterwards some tribal territories are accepted into the Union as States?

Could only work for the more civilized & settled tribes, I guess.
So initally the Iroques tribes and the "five civilized nations", later on maybe the Hopi and Navajo.

They would make for very small states, but not much worse than Rhode Island. Maybe they get only one Senat vote, or an Puerto Rico like status.

Is it in any way posible to have them in the American camp and beeing treated fair afterwards?
Maybe the French could arrange something.

Please explain :confused:
 
Uriel

I suppose it's possible but highly unlikely. As well as not wanting to pay taxes the other big rebel gripe was that Britain had tried protecting Indian lands and rights. Given the degree of land greed in what became the US there is little chance I think of this attitude changing. Especially probably in the south where the very wealthy plantation system requires huge areas of land. This increases the chance of both the rich wanting Indian land for their plantations but also poorer whites as well as land is in relatively short supply. Even if Britain had won I suspect many Indians might well have been forces to give up large areas of their land sooner or later but probably wouldn't have been as bad as OTL.

Steve

Is it posible that for some reason most Native Americans fight wight the rebells during the American Revolution and afterwards some tribal territories are accepted into the Union as States?

Could only work for the more civilized & settled tribes, I guess.
So initally the Iroques tribes and the "five civilized nations", later on maybe the Hopi and Navajo.

They would make for very small states, but not much worse than Rhode Island. Maybe they get only one Senat vote, or an Puerto Rico like status.

Is it in any way posible to have them in the American camp and beeing treated fair afterwards?
Maybe the French could arrange something.
 
How about having the Iriqouis Confederacy totally on the American side of the Revolution, then they could become the state of Iriqouis.
 
There are several problems. First, Indian tribes were considered foreign powers, not American citizens, which is why the federal government made treaties with them and handled all relations. Second, originally the 13 Colonies had claims on lands to their west, and they would have to give up those claims for Indian states. (They eventually did so in order to create new states equal in status to their own, but that would come later). Third, this would require the Indian tribes to more or less give up their own ways of governance in order to assimilate to the new American way.

Let's say that the Iroquois Confederation is accepted as a new state, and New York gives up any claim to western "New York." In order to be acceptable to Congress, the new state has to agree to everything else the other states are doing. They need a written constitution that guarantees a republican form of government, and allowing people from other states to legally move in and settle there. It means abandoning their own legal tradition and adopting the American one. They would allow these new white settlers to be elected to office and eventually take over the government because of the demographics. It's very hard to see any Indian nations agreeing to this. There is no way that any Indian nation could retain control of any state they created. Eventually white settlers would take over.

We saw what happened to the "civilized tribes" in the Deep South. Being "civilized" didn't protect them when local whites wanted their land, even with the "protection" of the Federal government. In this case, even if the Cherokee and others were citizens, I think the state governments in the Deep South would still find a way to screw over those citizens who weren't white.

Those are the issues you'd be up against. Demography is very telling. You'd have to make a lot of changes in history in order to make something like that work, such as some Indian tribes being absolutely essential to winning the American Revolution, or the Continental Congress somehow accepting a delegation of some Indian confederation, and their representatives continuing to be involved in the nascent American government in order to build enough trust, respect, and affection (and legal protection and precedent) that the rights of Indian citizens would not later be violated. That might allow (some) Indians to be equal citizens even if those "Indian states" would later become white. It would create a lot of interesting butterflies. But it would require a lot of changes on both the American colonist and Indian sides.
 
Native nations owned big parts of central area of USA.
Much oposed to railways, colonists and industry.
So to accept them in USA would block USA develpoment a bit.
 
What if, without Jackson as president, Indian policy follows the directives of the Supreme Court, eg Worcester v Georgia? Could you have Georgia and other states seceding in protest and starting an earlier ACW?
 
You could have the Treaty of Fort Pit go through, giving the Lenape a state of their own. It would be a long shot and the state would eventually become dominated by whites but it could happen.
 
You could have the Treaty of Fort Pit go through, giving the Lenape a state of their own. It would be a long shot and the state would eventually become dominated by whites but it could happen.
This. If White Eyes survives, the chances of his faction of the Lenape staying American-aligned goes up exponentially. The text of the treaty technically states that the US acknowledges the full extent of Lenape landclaims and that in the future the Lenape and US would enter under a confederation where other friendly Native tribes would be encouraged to move to Lenape lands and join that state.

IOTL, with White Eyes death at the hands of some rogue frontiersman in the Army and the subsequent face-saving coverrup, the tenuous friendship quickly fell apart. Within two years White Eyes' followers joined with the rest of the tribe against the US when it became clear that the US wasn't going to live up to the treaty.

If White Eyes survives and you somehow make the US act in better faith towards the agreement, you could maybe end up with a Lenape "state" around the time of the Constitution. Especially if their accession helps one side or another in the constitutional political wrangling.

Of course, this is kind of the basis for a TL I've been trying to throw together for almost six months now...
 
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