AHC: National Communism???

What would a highly nationalistic and aggressive communist society be like? I would imagine something like a fascist USSR, but does anyone else have a more in depth idea? What would be needed for this to happen, since nationalism is inherently opposed under communism. I need this for a TL i may soon be working on, thanks to any who participate :)
 
North Korea. The Cleanest Race of BR Myers claims that North Korean ideology is actually more derived from Japanese fascism than Marxist-Leninism. North Korean propaganda leans heavily on the claim that the US had contaminated the south through cultural influences and interracial marriages. Korean women who get pregnant even with Korean-Chinese men are forced to abort the fetus. Unlike Soviet propaganda, North Korean propaganda doesn't make any distinction between the working-class American people and the capitalist exploiters in Wall Street and Washington. So this is perhaps an OTL answer to the OP's question.
 

Lateknight

Banned
Communism was and is a highly aggestive ideology that projects its violence externally(soviets) or internally(Cambodia).
 
North Korea. The Cleanest Race of BR Myers claims that North Korean ideology is actually more derived from Japanese fascism than Marxist-Leninism. North Korean propaganda leans heavily on the claim that the US had contaminated the south through cultural influences and interracial marriages. Korean women who get pregnant even with Korean-Chinese men are forced to abort the fetus. Unlike Soviet propaganda, North Korean propaganda doesn't make any distinction between the working-class American people and the capitalist exploiters in Wall Street and Washington. So this is perhaps an OTL answer to the OP's question.

This.

As to how it happens: in North Korea's case, when the Soviets invaded the northern half of the peninsula at the end of WW2, they tried to replicate what they had done in Eastern Europe by setting up local communist "revolutions" in positions of power. But they didn't have much to work with in North Korea, because it was a more conservative part of the nation, so they went with an obscure military officer named Kim Il Sung. This regime needed ideologists, so they hired the propagandists they had on hand, who just happened to be the same people who had been writing Imperial Japanese propaganda.

Basically, that's what it takes: have a left-wing power hire right-wingers to run a country.
 
This.


Basically, that's what it takes: have a left-wing power hire right-wingers to run a country.

Thank you, since i would like to keep this going, how would a country like this work? what Would they seek?, How would they remain partially communist as opposed to just going full fascist.
 
Thank you, since i would like to keep this going, how would a country like this work? what Would they seek?, How would they remain partially communist as opposed to just going full fascist.

The country needs a Strong Leader to protect its purity and defend it against the imperialists/capitalists who seek to contaminate it. If North Korea is any guide, the "National Communist" regime merely seeks to perpetuate itself by whatever means possible. It doesn't need to invade another country as it would risk defeat which would destroy the regime (the sane ones, there's always the risk of a dictator getting a stupid virus like Saddam). What does "communist" mean in this context? If it merely means having a state-controlled economy, it's not necessarily in conflict with having North Korea-style ideologies.
 

RousseauX

Donor
What would a highly nationalistic and aggressive communist society be like? I would imagine something like a fascist USSR, but does anyone else have a more in depth idea? What would be needed for this to happen, since nationalism is inherently opposed under communism. I need this for a TL i may soon be working on, thanks to any who participate :)

So basically the "Socialism in one country" under Stalin
 
I mean a hyper-nationalistic, planned economy dictatorship, for sake of argument lets say the dictator actually wants to uphold the ideals of communism while also building up their own country and having a very aggressive foreign policy. So imagine a mindset of Lenin with the demeanor and personality of Stalin/Kim Jong/Any other "communist" leader.

Does this clear things up?
 
I mean a hyper-nationalistic, planned economy dictatorship, for sake of argument lets say the dictator actually wants to uphold the ideals of communism while also building up their own country and having a very aggressive foreign policy. So imagine a mindset of Lenin with the demeanor and personality of Stalin/Kim Jong/Any other "communist" leader.

Does this clear things up?

That still describes Stalin well: building up the country (better than Lenin did) and having an aggressive foreign policy (ethnic cleansing of Germans, turning the rest of Eastern Europe into puppet states). And as for hypernationalism, even before Stalin called for defending Holy Mother Russia in 1941, he engaged in targeted genocide of the Ukrainians. To say nothing of his postwar deportation of the Tatars and anti-Semitism...

Another possibility is Castro and Che. Che subscribed to pan-Latinism, and was trying to foment revolutions all over Latin America and aided anti-colonial communists in Angola.

Truth be told, the last important communists who were not nationalist were Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin was a nationalist, Mao was a nationalist, and the various postcolonial leaders (e.g. Ho Chi Minh) were more nationalist and anti-colonial than communist.
 
So basically the "Socialism in one country" under Stalin

Exactly. Despite being Georgian, Stalin was basically a Great Russian chauvinist.

Stalin was also aggressive and expansionist; he just wasn't anywhere near the risk taker Hitler was.
 
In my understanding, Communist Romania is another OTL example.
It is also true that, while being notionally opposed to nationalism in principle, Communism often leaned to it, particularly in the context of anti-colonial struggle (Uncle Ho is indeed a case in point).
However, I would not describe Stalin as simply a Great Russian nationalist. Perhaps, "Soviet nationalist" fits better.
 
In my understanding, Communist Romania is another OTL example.
It is also true that, while being notionally opposed to nationalism in principle, Communism often leaned to it, particularly in the context of anti-colonial struggle (Uncle Ho is indeed a case in point).
However, I would not describe Stalin as simply a Great Russian nationalist. Perhaps, "Soviet nationalist" fits better.

Stalin was as much a Russian nationalist as Hitler was a German one. Being technically outside the group but wanting to be in it they were more nationalistic than the average Russian or German. Stalin was "more Russian than the Russians and more Communist than Lenin."
 
During Stalin's rule, Russia was reduced by over 3,000,000 square kilometers of territory. That's the rough equivalent of one Argentina, or almost an India.

Needless to say, those are not the actions of a Russian nationalist or a "Greater Russian chauvinist".

Interestingly, some of the culturally most repressed minorities in Stalin's USSR were...the Abkhazians and Ossetians of Georgia. I don't know if this was actually caused by Stalin showing a hint of Georgian nationalism, or if there's a more mundane explanation.
 
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