AHC: Muslim Europe-dominated World

As a twist of the usual Islamwank timeline, the challenge is to make the world dominated by colonial powers of Europe--which most if not all already converted to Islam.
Bonus point if you can create a muslim European name for the Americas, or a Latin-speaking muslim new Roman Empire.

The POD is after the four Appointed Caliphs.

Thanks in advance! :D
 
The Umayyad machine of raid/loot economy doesn't run out. Arab-Berber armies win at Tours in 732 and continue from Spain into a conquest of France, Charles Martel is killed in the battle and the rest of the Franks are unable to overturn the invasion.
Because of this, the Berber Revolt of the 740s doesn't occur, and the Umayyads could probably maintain power well into at least the year 800.
From there, even after a fracture of the Caliphate, it's successor states in Europe will most likely be Muslim ruled. From there this Europe should have a mixture of the OTL European geographic benefits as well as the benefits of the Islamic Golden Age, leading to a much richer Europe with an earlier printing press, literacy etc.
 
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The Umayyad machine of raid/loot economy doesn't run out. Arab-Berber armies win at Tours in 732 and continue from Spain into a conquest of France, Charles Martel is killed in the battle and the rest of the Franks are unable to overturn the invasion.
Because of this, the Berber Revolt of the 740s doesn't occur, and the Umayyads could probably maintain power well into at least the year 800.
From there, even after a fracture of the Caliphate, it's successor states in Europe will most likely be Muslim ruled. From there this Europe should have a mixture of the OTL European geographic benefits as well as the benefits of the Islamic Golden Age, leading to a much richer Europe with an earlier printing press, literacy etc.

Interesting. Not to mention from the fractured Caliphate, a few Christian kingdoms will arise with the same enlightenment, no? It also breaks the significance of England, among other things.

What about Germany? I don't see Muslims past the rhine; will Christianity there become a sort of "pagan Christianity" that adopts the same culture as the nations around it?
 
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Interesting. Not to mention from the fractured Caliphate, a few Christian kingdoms will arise with the same enlightenment, no? It also breaks the significance of England, among other things.

What about Germany? I don't see Muslims past the rhine; will Christianity there become a sort of "pagan Christianity" that adopts the same culture as the nations around it?

Germany beyond the Rhine was not exactly Christian at this time. If Islam is the prevailing religion, I imagine they'd convert to that for the most part.
 
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Interesting. Not to mention from the fractured Caliphate, a few Christian kingdoms will arise with the same enlightenment, no? It also breaks the significance of England, among other things.

What about Germany? I don't see Muslims past the rhine; will Christianity there become a sort of "pagan Christianity" that adopts the same culture as the nations around it?

It really depends how Christianity (in this case the Papacy) plays out in this scenario, does it regress to more extreme conservativism in the face of it basically being swallowed by another religion?

Honestly I believe, because Italy would most likely be the next conquest after France, western Christianity will face the same Decentralisation that Eastern Christianity faced. So whilst the Papacy might demand more conservativism in face of an alien faith of Infidel invaders, individual rulers will most likely have more independence to mix Muslim ideas as they will.

Where exactly would these remaining Christian states develop? Britain, Ireland, maybe some Asturias - esque states in the Alps and the low countries, aside from that I think the rest of Europe is Pagan at this point or under the influence of the Byzantines instead.
 
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For Islam to dominate Europe you need several POD, not just one. As it was already pointed out,
- Ummayad Caliphate to be more stable and longer living.
- Successful Muslim invasion of Francia
I will add several ones:
- First (or at least second) siege of Constantinople to be successful
- A Successful invasion of Italy.
 
Yes let us Ignore logistics and pre modern spatial constraints and internal Turmoil the ummayids reached their logistical limit

Yeah, because adding France to an empire that already stretched from Spain to India would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

On the topic, anyone have any ideas why the Cordoba Caliphate never did any naval exploration? Because the discovery of the wealth of America would turn the Reconquista into a joke.
 
Yeah, because adding France to an empire that already stretched from Spain to India would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

On the topic, anyone have any ideas why the Cordoba Caliphate never did any naval exploration? Because the discovery of the wealth of America would turn the Reconquista into a joke.

Caliphate of Cordoba or the Emirate of Cordoba?
The Caliphate of Cordoba only really had a stable period of maybe 10-15 years (Al-Hakam's reign) during 60 or so years of existence.
Before that and after that (including the Emirate period from Abd-Ar-Rahman I -III) it was essentially a state in constant anarchy. The Caliphs/Emirs only really had control over the capital consistently, a thing else they would have to use private armies to squash their own independence seeking vassals/governors, not to mention rebels like Umar ibn Hafsun and the Northern Kingdoms. There really wasn't much time for exploration in OTL Al-Andalus, culturally it was advanced but politically it was a joke of a system.
 
Yes let us Ignore logistics and pre modern spatial constraints and internal Turmoil the ummayids reached their logistical limit

The problems became only evident after the conquests stop happening, before that the loot economy can continue to paper over the cracks at least up to conquering France and Italy. The Berber Revolt was the beginning of the end, and if the conquests coninue that will be avoided.
 
Don't think in the Western-centric terms of Tours as the main POD; think in terms of how the Arabs thought at the time, i.e. Constantinople as the main target.
 
What about Constantinople AND Rome fall?

This would be clearly seen as a sign that God is not on the side of the Christians but on the side of the Muslims which, after all, also recognise Jesus (although as a Prophet).

With a little credo twisting giving some form of divine nature to Christ (maybe being the equal of Mahomet or Mahomet being to Jesus what Jesus was to the old testament? I'll let specialist discuss this) the two religions could merge in the mainstream world after a few centuries.
 
When would be the Muslim European Golden Age?
Who would be the dominant powers in Europe (and the world) during that time?
And how far would their colonial empires be?
 
When would be the Muslim European Golden Age?
Who would be the dominant powers in Europe (and the world) during that time?
And how far would their colonial empires be?

The Golden Age of European Islam would begin when the Middle East starts to decline, let's assume another steppe invasion causes this, allowing most of the Middle East's best and brightest to escape to Europe to increase European states advancement.

The idea of the major powers very much depend on how the conquest played out and it's effects, but if I had to guess within an Islamic Europe it'd be.... Al-Andalus, the Muslim successor state to the Franks, a Christian state that dominates the British Isles, with Italy and Germany divided into smaller Emirates and sultanates, similar to how the Islamic conquest of India occurred.

Colonialism started in the Age of Discovery, which was fuelled by Ottoman controlling European access to the Silk Road trade. So if Muslim Europe starts exploring, we can assume this is due to some sort of aggressive Byzantines, or unfriendly Jewish Khazars that now dominate the Middle East.
 
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