AHC: Multiracial Spanish-speaking Philippines

So?

That doesn't justify the ridiculous claim that the nationalist movement wants only the independence of Luzon when the idea of a united Philippine archipelago is already solidified a few decades before them.

Yes, Bonifacio used the term Tagalog. But it was only an attempt to create a unique identity for a new nation. He's that idealistic.

It's his thing, unfortunately. It's also a disease of misplaced Filipino nationalism. The idea that there were large indigenous states that spanned the Philippine Archipelago, and that without Spain we would have developed as in OTL without any of the garbage of Spanish rule.

And there was a lot of that, but Spanish rule is also essential to the identity of the Filipino today, both positive and negative.

Bonifacio's Katagalugan is a successor of Saludang - Rizal does not want Philippines to be independent because the people of the Philippines don't know their history, Katagalugan is composed of all the Archipelago but institutionally and culturally it is based on Saludang/Kingdom of Tondo.

Three hundred years. We were scattered and pagan and isolated before them, we were united and Catholic and connected to the world after them.
 
Rizal does not want Philippines to be independent because the people of the Philippines don't know their history.

Wrong.

Rizal pushed for reforms because the people are not yet prepared for self-governance because of their lack of education. He learned from the mistakes of the French and Latin American revolutions and doesn't want the same thing to happen to the Philippines.
 
Rizal pushed for reforms because the people are not yet prepared for self-governance because of their lack of education. He learned from the mistakes of the French and Latin American revolutions and doesn't want the same thing to happen to the Philippines.

Actually, Rizal is writing about Saludang in his last novel that is yet to be published, he does not want the Philippines united and independent, he wants it independent but back to the previous status quo.

It's his thing, unfortunately. It's also a disease of misplaced Filipino nationalism. The idea that there were large indigenous states that spanned the Philippine Archipelago, and that without Spain we would have developed as in OTL without any of the garbage of Spanish rule.

And there was a lot of that, but Spanish rule is also essential to the identity of the Filipino today, both positive and negative.



Three hundred years. We were scattered and pagan and isolated before them, we were united and Catholic and connected to the world after them.

Philippines is an artificial country carved by the Europeans.
 
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Actually, Rizal is writing about Saludang in his last novel that is yet to be published, he does not want the Philippines united and independent, he wants it independent but back to the previous status quo.

How would you know that novel was about Saludang? It didn't even go for a whole chapter before Rizal abandoned it.

Also, Captain Orange is right. He wanted either reform or peaceful independence.

Philippines is an artificial country carved by the Europeans.

We'll have to concede on that point, but at least they united this god forsaken archipelago.
 
How would you know that novel was about Saludang? It didn't even go for a whole chapter before Rizal abandoned it.

Also, Captain Orange is right. He wanted either reform or peaceful independence.



We'll have to concede on that point, but at least they united this god forsaken archipelago.
The people of Luzon in general still don't like Visayans which they also look down upon in the Prehispanic times, the Visayans were seen by the people around them as slaves, that is one of the reasons why the previous status quo is better.

And besides the Spanish policies made the Northern Island divided between Ilocanos and Tagalog speakers because the colonial policies favored the two - I don't like the current situation, I would have preferred if the island has a single native linguafranca.

The Portuguese were better than the Spanish because they respected the people and institutions more, just look at Timor and Congo.

Yep the last novel of Rizal is about Luzon/Saludang, Rizal did not abandon it - he died before he can proceed with other chapters.

that is why my TL pleases everyone and gives every one what they want.
 
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Mexico was the one that governed Philippines until Mexican independence and there were already Filipino mestizos both Chinese and Spanish. And the Philippines really aren't homogeneous. There's Negritos,Moros,Lumad and several other ethnic groups. As for more Spanish mestizos, if the voyage was too difficult to make it from Spain, then make an incentive for Criollos from Mexico or Peru to go out there. And the loss of Spanish language in the Philippines was a result of deliberate Americanization. If not for that, than Spanish would be an official language.
 
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