AHC: More White Dominated African Nations

[Emperor Norton I]

This may be my own ignorance, but the only nation I know of in Africa that was dominated and controlled by Whites (Post-Colonialism) was South Africa, of course in spite of their actual numbers in relation to the non-whites in the nation.

The challenge here is to have more African nations and societies dominated and controlled by Whites, obviously keeping in mind that those whites will be a minority and I cannot see a way they'd ever be a majority. This would also be post-decolonization since obviously so long as colonies are run by Europe, whites already dominate and run the society.

 

[Æsir]

Rhodesia was under white minority rule after independence as well.

 

[varyar]

Rhodesia, Libya, Algeria and Portuguese Africa seem like low-hanging fruit in this regard. IIRC, there was a nicely done thread about Kenya becoming something like OTL's Rhodesia not that long ago. Farther afield from OTL, you might manage something interesting with Egypt, or with Tunisia as an Italian settler colony alongside/instead of Libya. If Italy remains neutral in WW2, for instance, Libya would have a very large Italian settler population. Parallels with Algeria are obvious, but it might end up more like South Africa (Arab rule, but a large, remaining European minority).

 

[oshron]

white as in European, right?

 

[Emperor Norton I]

white as in European, right?

I'm trying to think how you mean that. If you mean the white domination has to be based solely on people coming in from Europe or ruling from Europe, then no; there are millions of White people who were born in Africa from earlier White immigrants (not to mention all the mixed population from white and black parents, grandparents, etc somewhere in their lineage).

 

[iori]

I'm trying to think how you mean that. If you mean the white domination has to be based solely on people coming in from Europe or ruling from Europe, then no; there are millions of White people who were born in Africa from earlier White immigrants (not to mention all the mixed population from white and black parents, grandparents, etc somewhere in their lineage).

I believe he meant people of European descent, since both the Berbers and Arabs are considered White and their making-up the populations of North Africa means they dominate the Maghreb countries.

 

[Emperor Norton I]

I believe he meant as in people of European descent, since both the Berbers and Arabs are considered White and they making-up the populations of North Africa dominate the North African countries.

Then European Whites.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Kenya could work? Though it would need a pre-WW1 POD to bring more Europeans (and maybe more Indians) to immigrate there.

 

[Revolutionary Avocado]

What about an independent Zanzibar?

 

[iori]

What about an independent Zanzibar?

Zanzibar has never had a particulalrly large or powerful European population.

 

[B_Munro]

Zambia was pretty thinly populated in the early Colonial era: an early British expansion in south Africa or a longer period of colonialism could have established a white population large enough to do another Rhodesia.

Bruce

 

[HeavyWeaponsGuy]

Yeah but these days Zambia is projected to be one of the most populous countries in Southern Africa within a few decades, what happens when white "Northern Rhodesia" (or whatever the ATL name is) needs a labor force that doesn't have to come all the way from colonies outside of Africa?

 

[iori]

Yeah but these days Zambia is projected to be one of the most populous countries in Southern Africa within a few decades, what happens when white "Northern Rhodesia" (or whatever the ATL name is) needs a labor force that doesn't have to come all the way from colonies outside of Africa?

Theoretically, if it's established early enough you could get a situation where White Zambians make-up a large enough initial population that natural piopulation growth leads to them as a group being large in number at which point you'd likely see the switch from race to economics with lower class whites doing labor alongside blacks and Indians.

Also, thank-you for reminding me of Zambia's population growth, I always forget about it and am always surprised that the median estimate (IE the most likely) for Zambia's population in 2100 is 140 million.

 

[Cook]

WI British Somaliland had remained independent of the rest of Somalia?

 

[iori]

WI British Somaliland had remained independent of the rest of Somalia?

It's not really the best candidate for White migration, I mean maybe if some sort of Singapore like situation was established in which Hargeisa became a large, important city that drew in immigrants from Europe and had an imperial immigration from India and ended-up as one of Britain's most important colonies you could I suppose have a sitution where the White Minority has out-sized influence, but beyond that..

 

[Clandango]

The Mamelukes were from Georgia. Might they count? They couldn't replenish their own populations of course though, as their women looked down upon getting pregnant.

 

[Kongzilla]

Nazi Germany wins the second world war. They begin an African holocaust.

 

[iori]

Nazi Germany wins the second world war. They begin an African holocaust.

Wy would they even bother, I mean using Africans as slaves in their colonies, yes, but their's literally no reason for them to do that.

Also, it would be an African Genocide, the term 'Holocaust' refers specifically to the genocide of the Jews and not to the Nazi Genocides overall.

 

[Wolfpaw]

Also, it would be an African Genocide, the term 'Holocaust' refers specifically to the genocide of the Jews and not to the Nazi Genocides overall.

Umm, no. The Holocaust was the entire genocidal program of the National Socialists; the Final Solution and the Shoah are the Jewish parts.

 

[Clandango]

Nazi Germany wins the second world war. They begin an African holocaust.

Nah, they wanted the area partially for their labor. Not that some plains areas and jungles wouldn't be set aside as hunting reserves. Probably keep the tribes in that case. Perhaps the Germans evict the population from the areas they annex from France as well as maybe Italy and the islands they wanted from Portugal and Spain? They could use the populations to settle the redivided lands, with the Germans occasionally poaching their own penal colonies made out of Slavs when some of the survivors seem to be "aryan" enough. The last one being unlikely of course, as they would keep the eastern Slavs in Siberia and Turkistan or in labor camps.