AHC: More powerful Mexico

about modernization... Here's a hint Cali and Nevada have some of the larges veins of gold in the world. With all this influx of gold modernization is much easier;)

South Africa had some of the largest diamond deposits in the world, and look how well they turned out. The Democratic Republic of the Congo had large deposits of just about everything, and look how well that turned out. Gold does not solve all problems.
 
South Africa had some of the largest diamond deposits in the world, and look how well they turned out. The Democratic Republic of the Congo had large deposits of just about everything, and look how well that turned out. Gold does not solve all problems.

True but it would still give Mexico cold hard cash..... So they can stabilize their debt and use the gold for modernization.
 
Leaving aside the current derailment...

Someone who used to be active on the board suggested that Manuel Hidalgo could win and expel the criollo aristocracy, which he said would butterfly away decades of corrupt politicians squabbling over the country because they treated it as their personal piggy-bank.

IIRC the Mexican government had to basically buy off Spaniards who lost property in the revolution, which led to massive amounts of assets leaving the country.

Hidalgo winning using some Mexican version of the levee-en-masse and telling Spain to go pound sand over the issue of reparations.

Of course, Spain could always send more troops to Mexico and the U.S. at the time might not have been in any condition to stop them. Perhaps the British Navy intervenes, wanting to have Mexico as an investment opportunity.
 
Leaving aside the current derailment...

Someone who used to be active on the board suggested that Manuel Hidalgo could win and expel the criollo aristocracy, which he said would butterfly away decades of corrupt politicians squabbling over the country because they treated it as their personal piggy-bank.

IIRC the Mexican government had to basically buy off Spaniards who lost property in the revolution, which led to massive amounts of assets leaving the country.

Hidalgo winning using some Mexican version of the levee-en-masse and telling Spain to go pound sand over the issue of reparations.

Of course, Spain could always send more troops to Mexico and the U.S
. at the time might not have been in any condition to stop them. Perhaps the British Navy intervenes, wanting to have Mexico as an investment opportunity.
umm quick question, how was I derailing thread you want a stronger Mexico I came up with a POD for Santa Anna after pastry war successfully modernize Mexico, how is that derailment:confused:
 
But that in no way resolves all the caste, racial, and geographical reasons that Mexico is such a messed up country. A modern, democratic Mexico must come to bear with it's indio population sooner, not later. OTL, despite the efforts in the War of Reform in the late 1850's, the caste system wasn't abolished until the Mexican Revolution and still endures to the modern day at an economic level.

Those cultural changes are going to take time. Look how long things took for minorities in the US. Eliminating Santa Anna reduces the political chaos and inept generalship that plagued Mexico.

It's still probably not enough. Mexico suffered from a lot of treacherous, reactionary, oppressive, self-serving men. Santa Anna was merely one of the worst.
 
Those cultural changes are going to take time. Look how long things took for minorities in the US. Eliminating Santa Anna reduces the political chaos and inept generalship that plagued Mexico.

It's still probably not enough. Mexico suffered from a lot of treacherous, reactionary, oppressive, self-serving men. Santa Anna was merely one of the worst.
He was not the worst:rolleyes: Getting rid of him is not needed;) All you need is for him to not get corrupted like his latter reign. He was an OK general not inept, just unlucky an facing many revolts and facing an enemy much stronger tha him. Let me guess you believe all that propoganda bull that his enemies smeared about him:rolleyes: Half of what they said isnt true, he is as egoistic as Polk. Political chaos was not due to him, he actually united the mexicans, Mexico had inept generals killing santa anna will not change that. The POTUS before Anna during the pastry war screwed mexico over, and before Anna civl war and political rivalry completly plagued mexico. By getting rid of Anna said political parties remain. Last I checked that is a bad thing. He acted as the unifing force in mexico. True he was a corrupt son of a bitch but that was during his latter life. In fact he was a good general cause he crushed most of the rebbelions in northern mexico, united mexico, defeated General Urea who tried revolting and he duped Polk. So he was in no way inept, getting rid of him does not solve mexicos problems, it just makes them worse. In fact their are basically very valid PODs that work. One is mine, another is an earlier union in mexico, Anna inherited a country wth a shitload of problems. SO sadly your point is incorrect. Please do a little more research on Santa Anna.
 
Did it take the telegraph to spread in 1849? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Gold_Rush#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sutter#New_Helvetia Some additional detail here.

Now obviously its not necessarily going to be discovered here, but what applied to Sutter can apply anywhere.

Mexico may or may not be able to do better than OTL with your POD. Expecting it to make a massive gold discovery and it remain secret for years...improbable at best.
Fine it is Implausable for it to remain a secret.. but it still gets mexico most of the gold
 
Fine it is Implausable for it to remain a secret.. but it still gets mexico most of the gold

How? If a stampede of Yanquis occupies California, you're likely to see Mexico unable to do much about it - more like another Texas revolt sort of scenario, only more so (since California is further away).

I'm not trying to ruin your timeline, just skeptical.
 
How? If a stampede of Yanquis occupies California, you're likely to see Mexico unable to do much about it - more like another Texas revolt sort of scenario, only more so (since California is further away).

I'm not trying to ruin your timeline, just skeptical.
Still i know mexico cant do much but because mexico found gold first they can exploit ut.

Btw in my pod mexico stays uncorrupted. Bolivia,african countrirs and what not are basically corrupt regimes in my pod such corruption is gone;)
 
Leaving aside the current derailment...

Someone who used to be active on the board suggested that Manuel Hidalgo could win and expel the criollo aristocracy, which he said would butterfly away decades of corrupt politicians squabbling over the country because they treated it as their personal piggy-bank.

I think the Mayans can secede and establish their own country with that POD, I heard that the Mexico and US performed some form of Genocide against the Mayans in the second part of the 19th century.
 
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