AHC .More Monarchies in the new world .

IOTL there were several nations which had short lived monarchies such as Mexico and Brazil .How could these nations have kept their monarchies to the present day ?
And were there any other nations which could have had a monarchy at some point ?
 
IOTL there were several nations which had short lived monarchies such as Mexico and Brazil .How could these nations have kept their monarchies to the present day ?
And were there any other nations which could have had a monarchy at some point ?

For Brazil, Pedro II having a surviving son might've done something to keep it afloat
 
Really, averting the American Revolution gets Anglo-America a Monarchy of America a la Canada's in all but name until it's considered a separate throne.

Similarly, there were plans for a Kingdom of 'La Plata' by I believe a Spanish princess.

Also also, the Count of Aranda wanted to make the Viceroyalties of 'Tierra Firma' (New Grenada), New Spain, and Peru get Spanish princes as kings. William Pitt wanted to do the same with the British Colonies and newly-conquered Quebec.

https://books.google.com/books?id=A...CICA&ved=0CHMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=pitt&f=false
 
Italy could have remained a monarchy with relatively minor changes during or immediately after WW2. If it did, I expect it would have remained one up until the present day.
 
Italy could have remained a monarchy with relatively minor changes during or immediately after WW2. If it did, I expect it would have remained one up until the present day.

Italy though once a monarchy was never in the Americas ,nor did it or does it hold onto any colonies in the Americas .
Though I did not know that there was a chance for the monarchy to be retained .I always thought it was inevitable to collapse after the war .
 
If you avoid WW1 you get countless monarchies in Europe, and if you keep British India you'll get alot of monarchies there as well.

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After Brazil (many ways for the Brazilian monarchy to survive), the most likely is probably Haiti, assuming post-independence PODs. But you'd need the king/emperor to be actually politically intelligent AND manage to avoid overthrow for him and his descendents. Some way to entrench monarchy in Haiti, basically, get one side of the country forever in favour of that sort of monarchy, even if the generals hold all the power and not the king/emperor himself.

Or just have a Bokassa-type situation in modern Haiti and have said dictator/wannabe emperor still be around in 2016. I definitely don't see any Latin American dictators crowning themselves--just wasn't in their culture to do so. And you could fill a book with the stories of bizarre dictators in that part of the world.

Mexico, well, Iturbide wasn't particularly worth much, and Maximilian accepting that title was like kicking a hornet's nest.

There were still some royalists politically active (as general conservatives) in the Latin American countries as late as the mid-19th century, including Gabriel García Moreno, Ecuadorian president. They mostly kept quiet about it and bowed to the political realities of their time. Any attempt to try and invite a Spanish royal to be king/queen wouldn't end well for them or their followers (and said Spanish royal is best off not even bothering going there).

For pre-independence, you have tons more choices. There were plans to find a suitable descendent of the Sapa Inca and crown him king/emperor, I think that was Argentina mostly but was discussed elsewhere. The Mexicans originally tried to get a Spanish royal to rule there, but Spain would have nothing to do with it and threatened other dynasties to not take up the offer either. There might've been movements elsewhere too along those lines. It seems as a whole you could probably get the Spanish monarchs to end up like the British monarchs in Canada and the Caribbean.
 
Maybe if Washington accepted an American crown it would set a precedent for other nations to follow

I heard that early on the Congress was considering making their nation a kingdom .Even went so far as to consider a Prussian prince for the title .May just have been a TL though (read so much ALTHIST that I get it and the real stuff confused some times !)
 
For pre-independence, you have tons more choices. There were plans to find a suitable descendent of the Sapa Inca and crown him king/emperor, I think that was Argentina mostly but was discussed elsewhere. The Mexicans originally tried to get a Spanish royal to rule there, but Spain would have nothing to do with it and threatened other dynasties to not take up the offer either. There might've been movements elsewhere too along those lines. It seems as a whole you could probably get the Spanish monarchs to end up like the British monarchs in Canada and the Caribbean.

I didn't know that about Argentina... was there any hint of a potential royal being installed in Chile for instance? South American monarchies would be from my perspective pretty darn interesting.
 
Another interesting possibility was the fact that Leopold, Prince of Salerno, was aboard a ship bound for America to become a sort of king in the Spanish colonies (don't know when this was, and can't remember the book I read it in), but the ship was waylaid by the British at Gibraltar (or somesuch) and the dream ended up being hust that.

Could've made for an interesting time.
 
Could have Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana remaining monarchies through indifference and intertia. Similarily, Dominica could decide to keep the Queen as head of state upon independence.
 
Another interesting possibility was the fact that Leopold, Prince of Salerno, was aboard a ship bound for America to become a sort of king in the Spanish colonies (don't know when this was, and can't remember the book I read it in), but the ship was waylaid by the British at Gibraltar (or somesuch) and the dream ended up being hust that.

Probably you're referring to another story, when, after the abdications of Bayonne, King Ferdinand IV "of Naples" and Sicily had claimed the (theoretical) right, as next of kin, to succeed to the throne, and he sent his son Leopold, with Louis-Philippe d'Orléans, the Duke of Ascoli, the Count Statella and the Marquis Tommasi, to Gibraltar in the summer 1808 for propose himself to be the regent of Spain, and the British, after an initial support, have preferred provide a "forced accommodation" to the delegation for the following two months... :rolleyes:
 
Another possibility would be a surviving native monarchy, probably propped up as a European client state.

Only the Inca could ever have done that, and they have quite a few issues of their own--they might just end up like the Chinese or Korean monarchies because I have a strong feeling the 19th century would not have been kind to them. Whatever polity the Valley of Mexico coalesces into once the Aztecs fall (they will, everyone hated them and Europeans will destabilise their rule even if they don't conquer them) could work too, in which case I similarly feel the 19th century will not be kind to them.
 
Brazil is actually damn simple: make Pedro II less depressed. The reason why the Reoublican coup succeeded was because Pedro did not want to be Emperor. He was a tired old man who, in his old age, had tragically lost the will to rule.
 
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