AHC: More Hispanic USA

The title gives the main point, what would be needed to make the United States around 1/3 Hispanic or Latino? Some easy starters would be taking North Mexican states or somehow keeping Cuba.
 
Other then Cuba and the Mexican states maybe make Puerto Rico a state and maybe try yget the territory around the Panama canal and make it a state or territory. A way to get the northern states was to declare war after attacks by Pancho Villa. We were involved in the conflict with Mexico. This butterfly could lead us to missing out on world war 1 or having the Zimmerman Telegram have a harsher peace on Mexico.
The main question is that should a imagined war with Mexico would they seek to Ally with either of the alliances to bolster it's chances of victory (or survival) Assuming the US is tied up either with the Mexican war or the annexation of the new territory along a new potential Mexican border (if Mexico is knocked out early which is the most likely outcome) it may both delay US involvement in Europe or decrease active service military personnel in Europe. I would think Germany would be happy to have a white peace with the USA. Though anti-german may grow during the interwar years. Germany could try and apeaes the USA by not having influence in North America or the Caribbean. Instead focusing on Africa and Asia. For Mexico it would lead to anti US sentiment and lead to them fighting in ww2.
 
The US is 17% Hispanic now with about 90%+ of that growth coming just in the last 40 years. A US that's ~30% Hispanic would be one that simply didn't implement any racial restrictions on its immigration prior to 1965 and didn't engage in any mass deportations such as operation wetback.

You wouldn't really need a change of borders.
 
The US is 17% Hispanic now with about 90%+ of that growth coming just in the last 40 years. A US that's ~30% Hispanic would be one that simply didn't implement any racial restrictions on its immigration prior to 1965 and didn't engage in any mass deportations such as operation wetback.

You wouldn't really need a change of borders.

What "racial" restrictions? "No quotas on immigration from the Western Hemisphere were put in place" in the 1924 Act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924 It was precisely the 1965 Act which "set a numerical limit on immigration from the Western Hemisphere for the first time in U.S. history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
 
The title gives the main point, what would be needed to make the United States around 1/3 Hispanic or Latino? Some easy starters would be taking North Mexican states or somehow keeping Cuba.
More demographic growth in Latin America is probably the most likely possibility for a higher Hispanic population in USA.
 

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Only using post-1900 PODs?

1) Annex Cuba
2) Annex Panama
3) Have the battle of Carrizal turn into an outright US-Mexican War that ends with the US annexing chunks of northern Mexico - Sonora, Chihuahua, and Baja. Also the US takes Cozumel just for kicks.
4) The US gets into a war in Colombia in the 80s to fight Narcos and the FARC. The instability results in more refugees heading to the US.
5) The US gets involved in the Shining Path War and in the process many local interpreters and supporters are given the right to emigrate to the US.
6) Have the US purchase Curacao from the Dutch. FDR pitched the idea in 1918 as Secretary of the Navy, but the Dutch shot the idea down out of fears that it'd be seen as violating neutrality. More Americans doing stuff off the coast means more American business in Venezuela which means more Venezuelans get the idea of moving to the US.



This is probably 30-40 million more people.


How hispanic are we considering the filipinos here?
 
Only using post-1900 PODs?

1) Annex Cuba
2) Annex Panama
3) Have the battle of Carrizal turn into an outright US-Mexican War that ends with the US annexing chunks of northern Mexico - Sonora, Chihuahua, and Baja. Also the US takes Cozumel just for kicks.
4) The US gets into a war in Colombia in the 80s to fight Narcos and the FARC. The instability results in more refugees heading to the US.
5) The US gets involved in the Shining Path War and in the process many local interpreters and supporters are given the right to emigrate to the US.
6) Have the US purchase Curacao from the Dutch. FDR pitched the idea in 1918 as Secretary of the Navy, but the Dutch shot the idea down out of fears that it'd be seen as violating neutrality. More Americans doing stuff off the coast means more American business in Venezuela which means more Venezuelans get the idea of moving to the US.



This is probably 30-40 million more people.


How hispanic are we considering the filipinos here?
A bit more Spanish cultural influence on the Philippines would most likely have made them be considered Hispanic.
 
What "racial" restrictions? "No quotas on immigration from the Western Hemisphere were put in place" in the 1924 Act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924 It was precisely the 1965 Act which "set a numerical limit on immigration from the Western Hemisphere for the first time in U.S. history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

So what was it that drove the massive increase in the Latin American immigration to the US post 1960's?

In 1970 Hispanics only represented 4.4% of the US population, in a period of 40 years to 2010 they stood at 16.3% of the pop.
 
People have already mentioned solutions that involved annexing more territory or admitting more immigrants, so I am going to try for a creative answer. Given that the OP asked how the Hispanic or Latino populations of the United States could have been bigger, just have events transpire to create a different demographic definition of “Latino” that also includes Italian Americans.
 
So what was it that drove the massive increase in the Latin American immigration to the US post 1960's?

In 1970 Hispanics only represented 4.4% of the US population, in a period of 40 years to 2010 they stood at 16.3% of the pop.

Taking a look at the status of much of Latin America post-1955ish would probably answer that. Civil wars, economic free fall, dictatorships both left and right wing, massive spike in crime and/or domestic unrest, etc. Lots of push factors even without a pull factor.
 
People have already mentioned solutions that involved annexing more territory or admitting more immigrants, so I am going to try for a creative answer. Given that the OP asked how the Hispanic or Latino populations of the United States could have been bigger, just have events transpire to create a different demographic definition of “Latino” that also includes Italian Americans.
Pretty interesting concept, “Latino” possibly being extended to possibly Souther Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, possibly even Filipinos.
 
Another thing I forgot to mention, is that with US territorial change is the possibility of the US losing more “white” areas like maybe never getting Oregon, possibly dissuading white immigrants from moving to the US.
 
Taking a look at the status of much of Latin America post-1955ish would probably answer that. Civil wars, economic free fall, dictatorships both left and right wing, massive spike in crime and/or domestic unrest, etc. Lots of push factors even without a pull factor.

I'm sure that did play a factor but Latin American governments have been for the most part a mess on and off since the 19th century.

I think it was likely the mass deportations you saw throughout the first half of the 20th century no longer being implemented combined with increase of migration that allowed the population to grow so much.

Over 1 million "mexican nationals" were deported just in the 1954 operation wetback.
 
Another thing I forgot to mention, is that with US territorial change is the possibility of the US losing more “white” areas like maybe never getting Oregon, possibly dissuading white immigrants from moving to the US.

That’s not really in the cards with a point of divergence after 1900.
 
Harder than you think to fulfill the OP.

Wilson or a TR elected in 1912 gets us into Mexico. Plus room for caribbean/central american expansion before say the 1930s closes THAT window. etc. Lots of room to potentially expand it there. The problem with that, is that look at OTL statistics re: intermarriage tending to match asian/latin percentages the issue would be fulfilling your POD of at least 1/3 of the US still being 'unmixed' mullato/mestizo/pardo/spanish-speaking white and not 50% or 25% 'hispanic' given time..

Mexico joining up during the unipolar moment of 1991-2003 would get your requirements due to numbers+it being recent enough to not have THAT much mixing yet.
 

GeographyDude

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Only using post-1900 PODs?
Or . . . a spanning topic. That is, a change before 1900, but one in which we spend most of our time talking about the effects after 1900. For example,

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=3&psid=247

In 1795, Spain granted Western farmers the right to ship produce down the Mississippi River to New Orleans, where their cargoes of corn, whiskey, and pork were loaded aboard ships bound for the east coast and foreign ports. In 1800, Spain secretly ceded Louisiana Territory to France, . . .
So, Spain keeps New Orleans. And obviously, this is very early, but if we spend most of our time talking about how the U.S. is different in the 20th and 21th centuries, I still think it's appropriate for this forum.

PS I think spanning topics are in general under-appreciated. :)
 
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Spaniards could also immigrate in larger numbers to the United States, if Spain lost its colonies earlier. Actually it is somewhat surprising that there was not more immigration from Spain to the United States, similarly to France.
 
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