AHC: More Countries With Pre-Colonial Borders In Sub-Saharan Africa

WorldsHappiestOrange

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In OTL Sub-Saharan Africa, there are 5 countries that have the borders of pre-colonial kingdoms, Rwanda, Burundi, Lesotho, Swaziland, and Madagascar (edit: as well as Ghana, to an extent). All of these countries were African kingdoms that got conquered by European countries and reemerged with their original borders. How many other post-colonial states could have had borders based off of pre-colonial kingdoms? For example the other Great Lakes kingdoms near Rwanda and Burundi, such as Buganda or Karagwe, could have survived as post-colonial states.
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From: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rical-map-thread.404984/page-49#post-20390646
 
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stephen rude

an independent Zanzibar springs to mind as fairly plausible without really needing to change that much about the overall European colonization of Africa
 

twovultures

Donor
GuildedAgeNostalgia said:
Ethiopia doesn't count?

Isn't Ghana's borders pretty much the Asante Kingdom?
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IIRC, its northern border is very much the result of British amalgamation rather than any expansion done by the Asante kingdom.

Regarding the Buganda possibility OP brought up-what happens to the rest of the country? Does it get merged into British Kenya? If so, I *think* that would result in a state which would have a Luo plurality larger than any other tribe. Ethnic cooperation between OTL's Kenyan and Ugandan Luos isn't a given, but seeing how colonialism flattened a lot of nuanced ethnic distinctions I think a Luo-dominated *Kenyanda state is possible in this scenario.

This could result in TTL's twin of Barack Obama Sr. having a more fruitful political career, assuming we're very liberal with the butterfly net.
 

Aichi72

If Ali Dinar doesn't side with the Ottomans in WWI, the Sultanate of Darfur could probably stick around as a British vassal and gain indpendence later in the century.

A slightly different Italian colonialism could see the Geledi, Hobyo, and Majerteen Sultanates survive until independence in the late 20th century.

Likewise the Kongo Kingdom if it doesn't revolt in 1914. (Or maybe a more sucessful revolt could result in independence.
 
AsukaEMP

AsukaEMP

GuildedAgeNostalgia said:
Isn't Ghana's borders pretty much the Asante Kingdom?
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The Asante Kingdom only covered the central regions of modern Ghana, everything north of that was added by the Brits.
WorldsHappiestOrange said:
Only debatably counts as 'colonized'.
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It being disqualified imo has more to do with the fact half its territory was added because of European agreements during the scramble, actual pre-colonial Ethiopia would just be the highlands. That being said a pre-colonial borders Ethiopia is actually possible.
 
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TheKutKu

TheKutKu

Neither is Madagascar, the Merina definitely did not control enough of the island to count.

This is a weird challenge, you can’t directly apply modern borders to 19th century africa
 
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