AHC-More african states survive the scramble for africa?

The Boers have lived in Africa since the mid-17th Century. After that much time, what are they if not African?

A lot of Boers descend from very early European immigrants to then-Dutch South Africa (mostly Dutch, but some Huguenots, Germans, etc. too). Many of today's white Americans came over well after American independence, although many of today's black Americans had their ancestors dragged in chains here long before. I don't think it's very relevant though to this subject.

So because only my great grandparents were born here means that I can't claim to be really American despite being born here and desiring to live in no other country and likely going to die here.
 
So because only my great grandparents were born here means that I can't claim to be really American despite being born here and desiring to live in no other country and likely going to die here.

That's not what I believe, I just misunderstood what you were asking, sorry. South Africans are Africans, and Americans are Americans, generally. I guess expats make things more complicated, but that's another thing.
 
So because only my great grandparents were born here means that I can't claim to be really American despite being born here and desiring to live in no other country and likely going to die here.

I have one ancestor (on both sides of my family) who fought in the American Civil War (on the Northern side), and he was an immigrant himself. None of my family arrived earlier than him. The rest were all Gilded Age arrivals and beyond. I'm not implying that it makes you less American--I'm a firm believer that me, my family, and every other American citizen are just as "American" as a fullblooded American Indian, since we're both citizens of the United States in the end, and the tribal nation they're enrolled in matters as much as the state I live in or the country my ancestors came from.

But I understand there's an argument that someone whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower in 1620 can claim to be more American than my great-grandfather who came from Finland a century ago, no matter how American his descendents might identify as. I don't think the argument is correct (or else American Indians are the only real Americans), or relevant to the discussion, since even Apartheid South Africa wasn't just founded on the Boers (and the Boers were a pretty damn diverse group of white people themselves, and even had some admixture from local African peoples!). I'm just explaining how you might argue such a thing.
 
So because only my great grandparents were born here means that I can't claim to be really American despite being born here and desiring to live in no other country and likely going to die here.
No, it means that someone whose family has only been in the Americas for, say, four generations cannot reasonably claim that the Boers
are not African yet at the same time claim to be (a native-born) American, as the Boers have been in Africa considerably longer.

Or, if you prefer: if someone's family has lived somewhere for generations, and they are born there, identify with coming
from the place and have no desire to live somewhere else, would it not be reasonable to refer to them as coming from that place
even if they didn't arrive until within recorded history?
 
No, it means that someone whose family has only been in the Americas for, say, four generations cannot reasonably claim that the Boers
are not African yet at the same time claim to be (a native-born) American, as the Boers have been in Africa considerably longer.

Or, if you prefer: if someone's family has lived somewhere for generations, and they are born there, identify with coming
from the place and have no desire to live somewhere else, would it not be reasonable to refer to them as coming from that place
even if they didn't arrive until within recorded history?

But I didn't say that I don't think the Boers aren't African. I think they are.
 
The Boers have lived in Africa since the mid-17th Century. After that much time, what are they if not African?

You know I don't think anyone is debating "africaness" of colonizers, rather this a conversation of people who aren't the descendants of colonizers in Africa primarily south of the Sahara.

Pushing a white ethno-state I don't think is what OP was talking about.
 
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