AHC Mexico a major power

Regional power is ASB. Major power isn't. Frex, Canada could be a major power if it wanted to overextend itself but it will never be a regional power, because North America is overwhelmingly dominated by the US.

To get Mexico to become a major power, Diaz hands power down and avoids the Revolution. There'll probably be a flawed democracy then. Come the Depression, Cardenas comes to power and rules with absolute power. Land reform, etc. President Henry Wallace gives Mexico aid under the Wallace Plan after Mexico joins WWII (in part to avoid a military coup by sending the generals away from home). Avoid an oil embargo so Mexico can still grow via oil but there won't be an oil crash afterwards that reverses this growth. Hispanic Tiger :cool:
 
Regional power is ASB. Major power isn't. Frex, Canada could be a major power if it wanted to overextend itself but it will never be a regional power, because North America is overwhelmingly dominated by the US.

To get Mexico to become a major power, Diaz hands power down and avoids the Revolution. There'll probably be a flawed democracy then. Come the Depression, Cardenas comes to power and rules with absolute power. Land reform, etc. President Henry Wallace gives Mexico aid under the Wallace Plan after Mexico joins WWII (in part to avoid a military coup by sending the generals away from home). Avoid an oil embargo so Mexico can still grow via oil but there won't be an oil crash afterwards that reverses this growth. Hispanic Tiger :cool:

Are we playing 'how many ways is this not plauible?':confused:
 
This would be completely possible if they accepted German aid in WWI but not invade the US.

What? Ever heard of the fact that Germany was being blockaded by the RN during the war? They could barely feed themselves, let alone ship aid across the Atlantic to Mexico.
 

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Short of Mexico allying early on with a vastly more successful central powers there are a few ways.

US collapse would be one. If the US fractures into around a dozen smaller states then Mexico could be a large power as it stands now.

Most likely way is a steady if slow dev towards a working republic and a large economic growth by a active middle class and no revolutions / civil wars / drug wars and you might end up with a N-american continent with Mexico having the same GDP/capita as Canada, assuming they play their cards well. Mexico might have a GDP about 2-3 times more than Canada and assuming they have an independent defense and political point of view they might have nuclear weapons and something like the 3rd to 6th largest economy in 1990. That would definently make them a world power. GDP slightly under Japan with an independent mind of its own combined with a strong diplomatic position as the leader of the Hispanic world.. We could see a very different cold war.
 
A POD of 1900 is nearly impossible. Now if you avoid the Mexican-American War or have Mexico win...
 
Might be able to get some degree of strengthening if you stop the Panama Canal from succeeding (and rule out one in Nicaragua at the same time) and instead see the Eads plan for a giant, large-oceangoing-vessel-portage-capable railroad across Tehuantepec revived.
 
Regional power is ASB. Major power isn't. Frex, Canada could be a major power if it wanted to overextend itself but it will never be a regional power, because North America is overwhelmingly dominated by the US.

To get Mexico to become a major power, Diaz hands power down and avoids the Revolution. There'll probably be a flawed democracy then. Come the Depression, Cardenas comes to power and rules with absolute power. Land reform, etc. President Henry Wallace gives Mexico aid under the Wallace Plan after Mexico joins WWII (in part to avoid a military coup by sending the generals away from home). Avoid an oil embargo so Mexico can still grow via oil but there won't be an oil crash afterwards that reverses this growth. Hispanic Tiger :cool:

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Diaz did hand power down, and the Revolution was still not averted. Cardenas came to power, enacted land reform, but was hardly an absolute ruler. And Mexico did join WWII.

And I think a PoD of 1900 is possible, you just have to avert the revolution and/or butterfly the Estrada Doctrine away. That way when the Mexican Miracle comes around, Mexico is willing to project it's power outward.
 
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Diaz did hand power down, and the Revolution was still not averted. Cardenas came to power, enacted land reform, but was hardly an absolute ruler. And Mexico did join WWII.

And I think a PoD of 1900 is possible, you just have to avert the revolution and/or butterfly the Estrada Doctrine away. That way when the Mexican Miracle comes around, Mexico is willing to project it's power outward.
Diaz held fraudelent elections. Cardenas would be a good benign dictator because he actually cared about the common people. This is a hard one, though.
 
Have Mexico discover gold in Alta California well before the Texas revolt, much less the Mexican-American war
 
Have Mexico discover gold in Alta California well before the Texas revolt, much less the Mexican-American war


Yeah, just like those kilotons of gold and silver from the Americas really helped Spain over the long haul... Wait a minute...

Gold, like oil or diamonds or ivory or rare earths, is not a panacea. There must be a stable nation with a functioning and differentiated economy already in place in order for that gold to have a positive effect.

Dumping gold into the OTL's post-independence Mexico would only exacerbate that nation's existing problems.
 
Gold, like oil or diamonds or ivory or rare earths, is not a panacea. There must be a stable nation with a functioning and differentiated economy already in place in order for that gold to have a positive effect.

Didn't say it was... Mexico would still have encouraged populating their northern border far earlier and instead of reacting to losing the territory to the US.

Dumping gold into the OTL's post-independence Mexico would only exacerbate that nation's existing problems.

Probably... I'm hardly proposing a Mexico wank, but the Mexican government focus on the area in modern California, New Mexico, and Texas is a gigantic PoD and the wealth could help keep them from losing a huge chunk of their territory.
 
Didn't say it was...


You didn't?

What does responding with "Have Mexico discover gold in Alta California..." to the OP's question of "... make mexico at least a regional power..." mean then?

Mexico would still have encouraged populating their northern border far earlier and instead of reacting to losing the territory to the US.

Do you seriously think the Mexico of the 1820s/30s is going to be able to enforce "Mexicans Only" restrictions regarding an earlier California gold rush?

Gold found in California earlier will most likely mean an earlier British or American occupation of that region because those nations can get more people there faster.

Probably... I'm hardly proposing a Mexico wank, but the Mexican government focus on the area in modern California, New Mexico, and Texas is a gigantic PoD and the wealth could help keep them from losing a huge chunk of their territory.

The Mexican governments of the period were barely able to control, let alone concentrate on, central Mexico. Heaping more on their platter isn't going to help matters.
 
Ok, I think I've got something. I went looking and found this

"Jewish philanthropists considered Mexican Jewry a worthy recipient of aid and, in 1891, the Baron de Hirsch Fund, along with the Jewish Colonization Association (JCA) planned large-scale Jewish agricultural settlements in Mexico, much like the kibbutzim the philanthropists were developing in Israel. However, these plans never materialized."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Mexico.html

So to make this post 1900 we move the date up to let's say 1901. The kibbutz turn out to be very successful and there is a larger migration of Jews to Mexico than OTL after WW1. Everything else history wise happens per OTL until Cardenas comes to power. Seeing the success of the kibbutz he uses them as the model for his land reform policies. This and a few other moves cause higher economic growth and industrialization than OTL. With the acknowledged contributions to Mexico from Jews ITTL there are no immigration limits passed against them.

In early 1938 the Mexican government gets hit on the head by the common sense fairy and realizes that Germany wants to get rid of a group of people known for being successful scientists, doctors, bankers, etc. and that these people would then be very grateful for the country that took them in. So by the time the Evian Conference comes around and everyone asks who wants the Jews Mexico raises its hand. So from then on till the start of WW2 tens of thousands of Jews from Germany and its annexed territories migrate to Mexico. The increase in the Jewish population could lead to a more active role in WW2 by Mexico.

After WW2 Mexico is a primary destination for Jewish refugees from Europe. The Mexican Miracle is greater ITTL than OTL thus creating a stable middle class that starts to ask for a more democracy. Pro-democracy demonstrations break out in the Mexico City in 1965 and the Mexican army and police forces are called out to disperse the demonstrators. The army refuses and joins the demonstrations. Army generals stage a coup and top officials in the government flee to exile. Free elections under U.N. supervision are held later in the year and are won by the first non-PRI candidate since 1946(technically 1929).

With a free liberal democracy and less corruption you could probably butterfly away the Lost Decade and the current Mexican Drug Wars. By 2010 you could have Mexico be a G8 economy.

And yes I did base this one on Zionist Uganda except not as wanked.
 
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