AHC - Mauryan Empire Implement a Mandate of Heaven in India

Will Such a United South Asia be Possible ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 67.4%
  • No

    Votes: 28 32.6%

  • Total voters
    86
How would You all would think the History of central asia would be with a Strong united India in the south ?
It will be absorbed into the Indosphere which would include indian subcontinent and Tibet, all of which are Buddhist, along with close relations with SE Asian Buddhist kingdoms.

Central Asia will be made Buddhist and first made a vassal before being annexed, if the Empire continues strong, which it could. Boundaries don't matter much if you're armed enough. In the best scenario, they could expand upto the Ukrainian and Russian steppes and forests, with a variety of Buddhism spread out, even there.
 
It will be absorbed into the Indosphere which would include indian subcontinent and Tibet, all of which are Buddhist, along with close relations with SE Asian Buddhist kingdoms.

Central Asia will be made Buddhist and first made a vassal before being annexed, if the Empire continues strong, which it could. Boundaries don't matter much if you're armed enough. In the best scenario, they could expand upto the Ukrainian and Russian steppes and forests, with a variety of Buddhism spread out, even there.
I am not really sure about it, you see central asia is just a wide open steppe and sparse population, no real natural boundaries and a massive warrior culture, as such it would be difficult to hold it together, but yes, it could be buddhist with muslim and Christian populations as well
 
India and China could definitely fight with each other, however I do not think it will be as bloody and prolonged like the Romans and Persians, as India and China will not share borders like the former and Tibet could be universally agreed as a Buffer state, as Only Yuan and Qing really conquered Tibet, Burma could be a bone of contention as it also is in middle of India and China right next to some of their most important region (South China and Bengal Region) But I believe Burma will be more oriented towards India due to Buddhism and will be much more favorable to India

Could Iran really be in control of Zoroastrian Kingdoms after Islamic Conquest, I believe it would be very difficult as Both the Elites and then the commoners adopted the religion of Islam very quickly as Zoroastrianism exhausted itself in Iran and Political Instability was able help Arabs conquer Iran

Perhaps more interaction between India and China would increase the popularity of meat substitutes like Wheat Gluten / Seitan - (leading to it eventually reaching Europe) and Chickpea-based Burmese Tofu, along with a local Indian equivalent of the vegetarian Cheese-based Glamorgan sausage. Also quite like the prospect of Noodles becoming much more popular in North India and the rest of India instead of being regional like in OTL, with the likes of a Noodle Biryani and Aromatic Rice Noodles becoming a thing. The same goes for a fermented Barley-based Soy Sauce analogue called Murri all becoming more popular in India and eventually reaching its way into China and Southeast Asia.

Would be interesting see an ATL China motivated by an expansionist desire to have access to the Bay of Bengal either before or after Zheng He's voyages, could easily see Burma being divided into two (akin to the PLC or post-1900 Poland during WW2) though wonder where the Khmer Empire and the early Thai / Siamese kingdoms feature in the conflict between India and China given their proximity.

Finding a way to butterfly way the Kala pani taboo would make things interesting as far as India colonizing and culturally Indianizing parts of East Africa (and Madagascar) are concerned, along with contesting the Omani Empire's hold over East Africa (assuming it is not butterflied away completely due to waves of Farsi refugees from a Ziyarid Alhambra decree or surviving Qarmatians).

By the period of the Ziyarid dynasty it was said roughly half the population was Muslim at best, however whether they remain so depends on the success of a Zoroastrian Ziyarid dynasty taking much of OTL Iran and consolidating its hold over the area. It would not be unusual for people to outwardly profess Islam while secretly practicing another faith with various groups and individuals accused of being a Zindiq (a term particularly applied to Manichaeans, agnostics, atheists and even to Muslims considered to be secretly harboring heretical beliefs), nor for that matter would it be unusual for any remaining Crypto-Muslim communities to exist after an Alhambra-like decree and assimilate into the population.

Perhaps the ATL Zoroastrian Ziyarid Empire could find a potential ally in the Qarmatians in the event the latter maintains it power against their mutual enemy in Baghdad or if the Qarmatians are reduced in power as in OTL, are propped up to play a similar role as the Lakhmids.
 
@Masked Grizzly
I agree with all your points here -
  1. India and China will have much more pronounced relations, sometimes friendly and sometimes a rivalry, both will exchange Ideas and might even inter marry, Tibet and Burma will become buffer states between the two powers
  2. Yes, India cuisine will be different, perhaps even more vegetarianism and non alcoholism, this could become a much bigger part of Indian Culture
  3. Burma might become the Poland of Asia, a battleground between India and China, Thailand and Cambodia even in OTL were heavily inspired by India, It might be even more in TTL
  4. Absolutely, especially if India absorbs Seafaring nations like Cholas, it might become a national importance to do so, they might accidentally discover Australia as well, they perhaps will only establish small outposts but will also influence people there
  5. I am still not sure whether or not will India actually help zoroastrians to regain Iran, it will be seen as a waste of resources, what do you think?
 
@Masked Grizzly
I agree with all your points here -
  1. India and China will have much more pronounced relations, sometimes friendly and sometimes a rivalry, both will exchange Ideas and might even inter marry, Tibet and Burma will become buffer states between the two powers
  2. Yes, India cuisine will be different, perhaps even more vegetarianism and non alcoholism, this could become a much bigger part of Indian Culture
  3. Burma might become the Poland of Asia, a battleground between India and China, Thailand and Cambodia even in OTL were heavily inspired by India, It might be even more in TTL
  4. Absolutely, especially if India absorbs Seafaring nations like Cholas, it might become a national importance to do so, they might accidentally discover Australia as well, they perhaps will only establish small outposts but will also influence people there
  5. I am still not sure whether or not will India actually help zoroastrians to regain Iran, it will be seen as a waste of resources, what do you think?

A more seafaring unified India would have also changed the face of Southeast Asia in the Malay Archipelago and could have even potentially aided in the development of an indigenous somewhat Indianized civilization forming in New Guinea.

It is not so much as India helping the Zoroastrians regain Iran in ATL, rather it is partly a side-effect due to the ATL presence of a unified Indian dynasty in Central Asia and around Baluchistan compared to OTL providing some stability and butterflying away the various Islamized groups that would come to dominate Persia and the rest of West / Central Asia from the east (e.g. Samanid, Seljuks, etc), thus making it easier for an ATL Zoroastrian restoration via a wanked Ziyarid empire to be much more successful compared to OTL (allowing the fledgling Persian empire to focus their attention westwards after consolidating their gains). A unified Indian dynasty might eventually see value in an ATL wanked Zoroastrian Ziyarid Empire in such a scenario as a buffer state against a possible resurgence of the Abbasids and any other power from Mesopotamia beyond in the west, given the battles a unified Indian empire would have previously faced against the early Caliphate attempts to dominate Central Asia and conquer India.
 
A more seafaring unified India would have also changed the face of Southeast Asia in the Malay Archipelago and could have even potentially aided in the development of an indigenous somewhat Indianized civilization forming in New Guinea.

It is not so much as India helping the Zoroastrians regain Iran in ATL, rather it is partly a side-effect due to the ATL presence of a unified Indian dynasty in Central Asia and around Baluchistan compared to OTL providing some stability and butterflying away the various Islamized groups that would come to dominate Persia and the rest of West / Central Asia from the east (e.g. Samanid, Seljuks, etc), thus making it easier for an ATL Zoroastrian restoration via a wanked Ziyarid empire to be much more successful compared to OTL (allowing the fledgling Persian empire to focus their attention westwards after consolidating their gains). A unified Indian dynasty might eventually see value in an ATL wanked Zoroastrian Ziyarid Empire in such a scenario as a buffer state against a possible resurgence of the Abbasids and any other power from Mesopotamia beyond in the west, given the battles a unified Indian empire would have previously faced against the early Caliphate attempts to dominate Central Asia and conquer India.
I agree on this, Cholas were able to go till Sumatra, a united India might go till New Guinea and even Japan, leading to incredible influence of India

And yes, A United India will be able to defeat Arabs if the latter ever invaded much easily than OTL, where a rough patch of regional foes had a temporary alliance of sorts, And as such India might even choose to finish of the Arabs before the latter could expamd their influence more and might court the alliance of a Persian power
 
@Masked Grizzly
I can also see many following effects -
  • Indian Navy will be the preeminent force in the Indian Ocean, in OTL, it certainly was the mercantile force, but not the Military Force, which will Change as per TTL
  • Indian Army would be much more battle hardened then OTL, as they would all be constantly exposed to the Central Asians, and Iranians forces, as well as will be good in Internal Military as it would be required to put down rebels
  • Indian Economy would be a much more integrated force in TTL as it would not have the constant political division as in OTL
  • India would have many more universities for higher education and more basic level education due to Higher stability and internal cohesion
  • As Such India would have been a much more potent force in global stage
 
I agree on this, Cholas were able to go till Sumatra, a united India might go till New Guinea and even Japan, leading to incredible influence of India

And yes, A United India will be able to defeat Arabs if the latter ever invaded much easily than OTL, where a rough patch of regional foes had a temporary alliance of sorts, And as such India might even choose to finish of the Arabs before the latter could expamd their influence more and might court the alliance of a Persian power

Which likely Hindu-Buddhist Empire in Southeast Asian would on likely conquer most if not all of the Malay Archipelago in this ATL scenario out of Srivijaya, Melayu, Majapahit or some other group?

Indeed, a unified Indian empire that smashes and blunts the expansion of the early Caliphates early enough would allow an opportunity for another Zoroastrian group from rebellious regions like Tabaristan, such as the House of Karen to regain most of OTL Iran in a revolt against the Abbasids together with Wandad Hurmuzd and and Sharwin I up to a successful rebellion by Babak Khorramdin a century or few before the ATL wanked Ziyarids under a successful Mardavij.

@Masked Grizzly
I can also see many following effects -
  • Indian Navy will be the preeminent force in the Indian Ocean, in OTL, it certainly was the mercantile force, but not the Military Force, which will Change as per TTL
  • Indian Army would be much more battle hardened then OTL, as they would all be constantly exposed to the Central Asians, and Iranians forces, as well as will be good in Internal Military as it would be required to put down rebels
  • Indian Economy would be a much more integrated force in TTL as it would not have the constant political division as in OTL
  • India would have many more universities for higher education and more basic level education due to Higher stability and internal cohesion
  • As Such India would have been a much more potent force in global stage

An ATL India would be more of a potent force on the global stage, yet can inevitability see the various Indian dynasties going into periods of decline similar to OTL China if not quite as catastrophic before experiencing a resurgence.

Could see also the ATL unified Indian empires potentially playing a modernizing role with the Kingdom of Aksum and Ethiopian Empires to allow the latter to dominate the Horn of Africa as well as threaten to invade Yemen and be positioned to challenge the Fatimids by absorbing the Christian Nubian kingdoms of Makuria and Alodia (roughly Northern Sudan / Southern Egypt). It would probably be in their interests to dominate the Spice trade and break the hold the Arabs had in OTL, which a wanked Komnenian restoration and the Crusader states could further capitalize on to re-establish direct trade links between Europe as well as India, East Africa, etc in the event a Christian power (whether Aksum/Ethiopia, Crusaders, Byzantines under the Komnenians) manages to conquer Egypt in this scenario.
 
Lots of good discussion in this thread... but a whole lot of dead butterflies.

Any discussion on Mauryan empire that establishes a *Mandate of Heaven in India, cannot presuppose that polities like the the Arab Caliphate or Ziyarids will exist. Start small and look at the immediate effects.

Now for the Mauryans establishing a cyclical empire... they're the best candidates and it is possible. The extent of Mauryan autocracy was unprecedented. With the Arthashastra, Kautalya helped Chandragupta craft an empire which had an extensive bureaucracy controlling everything from forestry to processing jaggery to create sugar. Spies pervaded every level of society and ensured sedition would be quickly identified. Jain monks were entrusted as administrators that held censuses and kept records.

So what went wrong? Ashoka's inability to maintain a strong state. By the time of Brihadratha Maurya the imperial system was nearly collapsing due to bad maintenance and over reliance on the Buddhist Sangha to operate. Land grants had become so common that the separation of 'church' and state was becoming negligible. Thus when Pushyamitra Shunga took power and refused to grant them favours like the Mauryas, the Sangha demonised him and withdrew their support for his state, favouring regional kingdoms like Menander's Indo-Greeks.

Another factor is that Ashoka gave too much autonomy to the western and southern territories. By the time of his successors and grandsons Dasharatha and Samaprati the last pillars had been carved in those regions and then they began breaking away.

This needs to be prevented by either making the Sangha subservient to the state and using that as a uniting factor politically or by forming a new administration and properly solidifying the five great regional administrative centres. IMHO these effects need to be initiated by the time of Shalishuka. This if a secondary dynasty does come to the throne there will be less incentive to allow secession, the new comers taking on the Mauryan apparatus.
 
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@Masked Grizzly
Which likely Hindu-Buddhist Empire in Southeast Asian would on likely conquer most if not all of the Malay Archipelago in this ATL scenario out of Srivijaya, Melayu, Majapahit or some other group?

Indeed, a unified Indian empire that smashes and blunts the expansion of the early Caliphates early enough would allow an opportunity for another Zoroastrian group from rebellious regions like Tabaristan, such as the House of Karen to regain most of OTL Iran in a revolt against the Abbasids together with Wandad Hurmuzd and and Sharwin I up to a successful rebellion by Babak Khorramdin a century or few before the ATL wanked Ziyarids under a successful Mardavij.
I agree on this, India will flex its might on South East Asia as well as East Africa through its navy and economy, many of them would be Indianised and will look to copy Indian Cultural heritage

India will be able to defeat the Arab Caliphate quite easily, In OTL, A rag tag alliance was able to beat the Arabs, in TTL, a United India will be able to crush the Arabs and might even march till Baghdad and Kuffa to end the Arab Thread by allying themselves with the Persians
An ATL India would be more of a potent force on the global stage, yet can inevitability see the various Indian dynasties going into periods of decline similar to OTL China if not quite as catastrophic before experiencing a resurgence.

Could see also the ATL unified Indian empires potentially playing a modernizing role with the Kingdom of Aksum and Ethiopian Empires to allow the latter to dominate the Horn of Africa as well as threaten to invade Yemen and be positioned to challenge the Fatimids by absorbing the Christian Nubian kingdoms of Makuria and Alodia (roughly Northern Sudan / Southern Egypt). It would probably be in their interests to dominate the Spice trade and break the hold the Arabs had in OTL, which a wanked Komnenian restoration and the Crusader states could further capitalize on to re-establish direct trade links between Europe as well as India, East Africa, etc in the event a Christian power (whether Aksum/Ethiopia, Crusaders, Byzantines under the Komnenians) manages to conquer Egypt in this scenario.
This is a very high possibility, Infact I could see Indians allying themselves with the Byzantine to Crush the Arabs and The Turks from ever rising to Dominance, they can also be helpful to stop the Arab naval and Turkic land dominance in Asia, Might even attack the Seljuks when they are occupied with Byzantine
 
Lots of good discussion in this thread... but a whole lot of dead butterflies.

Any discussion on Mauryan empire that establishes a *Mandate of Heaven in India, cannot presuppose that polities like the the Arab Caliphate or Ziyarids will exist. Start small and look at the immediate effects.

Now for the Mauryans establishing a cyclical empire... they're the best candidates and it is possible. The extent of Mauryan autocracy was unprecedented. With the Arthashastra, Kautalya helped Chandragupta craft an empire which had an extensive bureaucracy controlling everything from forestry to processing jaggery to create sugar. Spies pervaded every level of society and ensured sedition would be quickly identified. Jain monks were entrusted as administrators that held censuses and kept records.

So what went wrong? Ashoka's inability to maintain a strong state. By the time of Brihadratha Maurya the imperial system was nearly collapsing due to bad maintenance and over reliance on the Buddhist Sangha to operate. Land grants had become so common that the separation of 'church' and state was becoming negligible. This when Pushyamitra Shunga took power and refused to grant them favours like the Mauryas, the Sangha demonised him and withdrew their support for his state, favouring regional kingdoms.

Another factor is that Ashoka gave too much autonomy to the western and southern territories. By the time of his successors and grandsons Dasharatha and Samaprati the last pillars had been carved in those regions and then they began breaking away.

This needs to be prevented by either making the Sangha subservient to the state and using that as a uniting factor politically or by forming a new administration and properly solidifying the five great regional administrative centres. IMHO these effects need to be initiated by the time of Shalishuka. This if a secondary dynasty does come to the throne there will be less incentive to allow secession, the new comers taking on the Mauryan apparatus.
You seem to be very knowledgeable about Mauryan Empire, could the Empire have been centralized like Qin China and Imposed Cultural integration and assimilation to create a Pan Indian Identity ?
 
A United Indian subcontinent - even one centered on Pataliputra is easily possible - but indefinitely? You're always going to be hit by invasions from the steppe, sooner or later.

And the geography of India is simply not conducive to a single unified empire with any degree of centralization. Too many geographic impediments, not enough Mediterranean or major river valleys. The Indo-Gangetic plain is easily unifiable - the rest, not so much. And the question thus becomes whether the Indus and Ganges can hold the whole subcontinent down. And history shows us they're not great at that, long term speaking.

Modern powers aside, no ancient empire could establish a geographically united India until the modern day, imo. Ashoka didn't give autonomy to distant regions because he wanted to.
 
A United Indian subcontinent - even one centered on Pataliputra is easily possible - but indefinitely? You're always going to be hit by invasions from the steppe, sooner or later.

And the geography of India is simply not conducive to a single unified empire with any degree of centralization. Too many geographic impediments, not enough Mediterranean or major river valleys. The Indo-Gangetic plain is easily unifiable - the rest, not so much. And the question thus becomes whether the Indus and Ganges can hold the whole subcontinent down. And history shows us they're not great at that, long term speaking.

Modern powers aside, no ancient empire could establish a geographically united India until the modern day, imo. Ashoka didn't give autonomy to distant regions because he wanted to.
I know for the fact that India cannot be indefinitely united by a Single kingdom forever, what I am saying is that Mauryans are able unite South Asia for long enough, there is a pan Indian culture and identity formed, as such when they are formed, all Kingdoms think of themselves as successors of the Mauryan nad try to Conquer all of South Asia
 
Considering the mandate of heaven was the root cause for so many civil wars in china............bloodshed is all i see.
There will be civil war and unrest, but it would definitely better than OTL, where Indian states were all fighting each other allowing for Central asians and Europeans to easily conquer, A India that would be United would be much stronger and better compared to OTL
 
There will be civil war and unrest, but it would definitely better than OTL, where Indian states were all fighting each other allowing for Central asians and Europeans to easily conquer, A India that would be United would be much stronger and better compared to OTL
How? Even in 1900 Bengalis and Marathans were strangers to each other. Punjabis and Tamils barely knew that the other existed in 1900. Back in those days the cultural divides are even stronger. There was no concept of 'United India'. It was a lot like Ancient Greece. They worshiped the same gods and derived languages from the same ancient language, but the cultural divides are too large. Ancient Greece was at least more united than Ancient India. When the Europeans arrived on the subcontinent they did nothing but play one kingdom or one culture off the other. In 1700. In the antique period those divides are going to be larger,, especially since the Mauryan Empire wasn't the most stable of empires since the beginning itself. Unless you find a way to make these cultural divides obsolete without using hindsight solutions, implementing a Mandate of Heaven would have seen hundreds of thousands of rebellions break out until the empire collapsed on its own weight, which it did anyways OTL.
 
You seem to be very knowledgeable about Mauryan Empire, could the Empire have been centralized like Qin China and Imposed Cultural integration and assimilation to create a Pan Indian Identity ?

The empire could have centralized yes, I'd argue that that some extent of imperial integration via the use of the Sangha could also have occured, acting as a support to the greater empire. But a panindic identity via assimilation (forced or otherwise)? Unlikely. Even China south of the Yangtze has remained full of distinct ethnic groups simply having to attach themselves to a greater Han super-identity and usually the south was the first to break apart unless imperial administrations moved there directly like during the Song or Ming dynasties.

What needs to happen is to make tributaries, feudatories and local populations view the structures of imperial state as vital to their benefit. The Mahajanapadas provide a nice analogue for the duchies of China, so rather than Mauryan rule diminishing them and subsequent rulers confining them to history, it might be more prudent to integrate them in some method to the rule of the empire.

A United Indian subcontinent - even one centered on Pataliputra is easily possible - but indefinitely? You're always going to be hit by invasions from the steppe, sooner or later.

And the geography of India is simply not conducive to a single unified empire with any degree of centralization. Too many geographic impediments, not enough Mediterranean or major river valleys. The Indo-Gangetic plain is easily unifiable - the rest, not so much. And the question thus becomes whether the Indus and Ganges can hold the whole subcontinent down. And history shows us they're not great at that, long term speaking.

Modern powers aside, no ancient empire could establish a geographically united India until the modern day, imo. Ashoka didn't give autonomy to distant regions because he wanted to.

I don't think this is necessarily true the 13th Rock Edict of Shoka actively discourages any intense involvement in re-conquest or conquest of lands:

"Ths inscription of Dhamma has been engraved so that any sons or great grandsons that I may have should not think of gaining newconquest."

As for the geography of India not being conducive to unity I agree to some extent but the repeated campaigns by later empires like that of Samudragupta, Harsha, Chandragupta II and others suggest that if given precedence of some sort of unity there could have been imperial rule from Pataliputra with feudatories in the south and north-west with regional administrations. But yes, south of the Vindhyas even the Aryan mahajanapadas like Ashmaka and Mutiba ruled ad hocover what were largely realms.

Geography becomes a lesser (but still vital) factor if you have good infrastructure to support large well-organized armies, which the Mauryans were trying to implement under Chandragupta and Bindusara, and an extensive bureaucracy, which started failing after Ashoka's rule due to the Sangha being given such power that it was a force unto itself rather than an appendage of the state. But the problem of the Mauryas is that they would fall sooner or later because of issues related to but differing from geography. It is likely the empire fell because the agrarian economy of the Indo-Gangetic basin couldn't support what was a largely non-agrarian empire south of the Vindhyas (aside from the Three Kingdoms of Tamil Country), no matter how many times the Mauryans debased their currency to energize it. As for invasions from the steppes... China had to deal with it more frequently and more often.* Once again its about setting precedent for the Sakas, Kushans, Indo-Greeks and Parthians to emulate the Mauryan rule. Menander of the Indo-Greek kingdom did try to emulate Ashoka and the Buddhist texts make a comparison between the two but it simply falls down to rotten succession in his case.

So the point of this thought exercise is to try and set precedent for later rulers to be willing to relinquish some territories but adhere to the dynastic cycle rather than try and establish new states.

*I do see the point you're trying to make here though. The north-west will be frequently lost and regained if a dynastic cycle is established, but the cultural influence of a united (read: cohesive to some degree) Sangha operating with the state might better integrate them to make it seem more like a doorway to-and-from the subcontinent, rather than simply being a gate into India.
 
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How? Even in 1900 Bengalis and Marathans were strangers to each other. Punjabis and Tamils barely knew that the other existed in 1900. Back in those days the cultural divides are even stronger. There was no concept of 'United India'. It was a lot like Ancient Greece. They worshiped the same gods and derived languages from the same ancient language, but the cultural divides are too large. Ancient Greece was at least more united than Ancient India. When the Europeans arrived on the subcontinent they did nothing but play one kingdom or one culture off the other. In 1700. In the antique period those divides are going to be larger,, especially since the Mauryan Empire wasn't the most stable of empires since the beginning itself. Unless you find a way to make these cultural divides obsolete without using hindsight solutions, implementing a Mandate of Heaven would have seen hundreds of thousands of rebellions break out until the empire collapsed on its own weight, which it did anyways OTL.
I agree with all this, Indian Subcontinent was always a larger cultural entity than a political entity, Could be seen similar to Roman Empire, But Due to the lack of a single political entity like China, A united Political Ethos never developed in the Country, If Mauryan were ruling for at least 3 centuries or more, with an emphasis on Integration, There could easily be Larger Indian Cultural entity that is united by Buddhism and a single language like Prakrit or Sanskrit

PS - Your Nepal Timeline is Amazing
 
I agree with all this, Indian Subcontinent was always a larger cultural entity than a political entity, Could be seen similar to Roman Empire, But Due to the lack of a single political entity like China, A united Political Ethos never developed in the Country, If Mauryan were ruling for at least 3 centuries or more, with an emphasis on Integration, There could easily be Larger Indian Cultural entity that is united by Buddhism and a single language like Prakrit or Sanskrit

PS - Your Nepal Timeline is Amazing
True. You would need to make the empire survive longer with an emphasis on a single identity to work it out. However very few nations have been able to do this successfully which means you need a string of good leaders. If Tsar Alexander II and Tsar Nicholas I were not idiots the Russifications would have succeeded with a greater success. However like i said, a few bad leaders and all the work would go down in the drain. You need a good leader to take reins for a long time. And also probably not alienate the fringe ethnic groups which the Maurya Empire did. The Orissans were not exactly equal citizens of the empire as they did have former allegiance to Kalinga.

Thanks for the compliment!
 
Geography is your enemy in India. If you want to unify the regions to the East of Delhi up to Bengal, it is fairly possible. Anything beyond may not stay for long. And Punjab and the lands further West will always be open to Steppe migrations and invasions, unless a strong empire emerges in the region.
 
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