AHC: Many Russias

With as late of a POD as possible (earliest accepted: 1600), make Russia split up into at least three separate nations that all claim the title of the "One True Russia", as per USSR vs. White Russia.
 
Well you can divide russia into it's three main linguistic groups... Great russian (eastern russia), little russian (european russia plus ukraine) and White russian (All of russians baltic provinces)

They would all be similiar in language and culture
 
Peter III escapes his assassination and the nation collapses into a civil war?

Good one!

Maybe an attempt countercoup against Peters reforms leds to an Moscow - St.Petersburg split, while Pugatschew esthablishes a dynasty ruling the Wolga basin?
 
Well you can divide russia into it's three main linguistic groups... Great russian (eastern russia), little russian (european russia plus ukraine) and White russian (All of russians baltic provinces)

They would all be similiar in language and culture

I thought the Great/Little/White Russia thing referred to Russia/Ukraine/Belarus?
 
Well you can divide russia into it's three main linguistic groups... Great russian (eastern russia), little russian (european russia plus ukraine) and White russian (All of russians baltic provinces)
Uh. wut.

How'd you get that idea? As Helios Ra just said, Great Russia is Russia minus the east, Little Russia is Ukraine, and White Russia is Belarus, or the Whites during the Revolution. The East is just the East, or Siberia.
 
How about a Central Powers victory?

My scenario is that the Germans, with the Western Front taken care of somehow, manage to set up a puppet government in western Russia. They keep advancing, prompting a Communist coup in the remainder of Russia (with the exception of the far east, where the Japanese prop up the remnants of the previous government. A cease-fire leaves the battle lines more or less drawn, since nobody wants to give the Communists more than they hold, but everyone is too tired to keep fighting a big war in Russia.
 
Simple just have Muscovy completly decimated by the golden horde. So when the GH collapses a la otl have them collapse. Ta Da now you have a shitload of principalities such as Ryzan, Nizhny novgorod, Novgorod, Tver, Novgorod, pskov, also have lithuania collapse too. Maybe hav the mongol invasion go further than otl and have the Golden horde split lithuania. In this way you have a ton of kahnites and principalities in what is now modern day Russia;)
 
Uh. wut.

How'd you get that idea? As Helios Ra just said, Great Russia is Russia minus the east, Little Russia is Ukraine, and White Russia is Belarus, or the Whites during the Revolution. The East is just the East, or Siberia.


Sorry I didn't really put that much thought into my answer...
 
The Time of Troubles goes on for far longer, and Poland manages to subjugate Muscovy to its rule.

That would always be a short-term solution because there would still be a hell of a lot of Orthodox eastern Slavs in this ATL Poland or around it. They would always preffer an orthodox Russian state ruling over them rather than catholic non-Russian Poland.

One possibility would be if in the 17th century a Hetmanate emerges in Ukraine that entrenches itself, becomes a regional power and expands into Belarus and a bit to the east and south-east, becoming more similar to 12th century Rus. This way there would be two centers of Slavic Orthodoxy in Eastern Europe, two "Russias", centered around Moscow and Kiev respectively. I don't know what a third one would be, Siberia was always more of a colonial possession.
 
As a matter of fact, Khmelnytsky fancied himself Autocrat of Rus as it was. If his state endured (even as a Russian vassal, which it would probably have to be; it could always wander off again during a crisis), that's two Russias, the Great and the Little.

For a third, I suppose you'd split one of 'em. Russian could conceivably have had a civil war under Peter or in this case *Peter, but it's generally difficult to make civil wars stick. Hmm.
 
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1848 is a success all over Europe, including England and the coalition of Wastern power goes on the Radical Liberal program of a Revolutionary Crusade to crush the Byzantino-Mongol Oriental despotism of the Tyrant of the North and free Europe from the menace of his Tartar Horde of Barbarians.
It is a success and to prevent a resugence the country is split.
It's more or less the latest POD I can imagine, and a rather implausible one in any case.
 

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Peter the Great’s coup d'état against his sister Sophia turns into a civil war, eventually spliting the tsardom into two nations – a “western” progressive tsardom led by Peter and a traditionalist Russia led by Sophia. Chances are that Peter’s faction would eventually overthrow Sophia (if Peter modernises his army as he did in OTL) – unless Sophia can find powerfull allies of her own (Sweeden? Ottomon Empire?).

What would the third Russia be? Not sure – maybe there would be another civil war over the throne if Tsaritsa Praskovia (Peter’s ally and wife of Peter’s elder co-tsar brother) or one of her daughters has a falling out with Peter, spliting Russia even more? Yeah, let’s go with that – with the progressive Russia beeing balkanised and divided, it would explain why the traditionalist Russia was not defeated & anexed by the more modern power.
 
Easy: 1991. The ultra-Communist coup takes over some region; Yeltsin seizes Moscow with a popular uprising; Gorbachev holds power around his vacation home in the south.
 
Novgorod surviving as some vassal/buffer state of Sweden or Prussia?

Heck, perhaps Novgorod ends up in a personal union with Sweden and the Swedish king claims to be Czar of Russia, like the English kings claimed to be the kings of France.

Of course, the Novgordian (Novgorese?) rulers never claimed to rule all of Russia...
 
Novgorod surviving as some vassal/buffer state of Sweden or Prussia?

Heck, perhaps Novgorod ends up in a personal union with Sweden and the Swedish king claims to be Czar of Russia, like the English kings claimed to be the kings of France.

Of course, the Novgordian (Novgorese?) rulers never claimed to rule all of Russia...

I think the Swedes had a go at claiming the throne during the Time of Troubles, although mostly to force concessions. If things got even worse, they might have managed to carve off the Pskov-Novgorod area and call it the Tsardom of Russia; my comparison would be Royal Hungary.

Then have a similar Ukrainians revolt and that's it: Great Russia, Little Russia, Swedish Russia.
 
Sounds rather ASB to me.

Sure, it'd be ASB if it stayed that way for a while - I think Gorbachev's support would evaporate within months, if not weeks. But I think the ultra-Communists might manage to hang onto some section of Russia... if they get through the first couple years, I think they'd be set, as their people see the rest of Russia which has betrayed Communism collapse into chaos.
 
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