AHC: Make the Star Wars Prequels Into A Single Spin-Off Film

samcster94

Banned
Well, and I disagree your premise would be better than our Episode II and III in one movie. I mean, there's all sort of hidden greatness in the prequel trilogy, and with some competent writing you wouldn't need to make an entirely new concept.

Do I think your idea is bad? No. But I think I'd rather it be as true to the prequels as possible, hence my post earlier in this thread.
I don't think your idea is bad either and it is closer to our prequels. It is simpler to make, and does use the redeeming qualities present more easily. All it needs to avoid Lucas as much as possible. Total control of 3 movies is bad.
 

Greenville

Banned
The backstory of a prequel film could be quite simple. An evil and rogue clone army invades the Republic out of nowhere. The Republic has a very small military but leaves the Jedi who have simply been the protectors of peace and justice to keep order. However, the Jedi are not designed to fight a war for the Republic and there are many calls for the Senate and Jedi to get out of the way for a real galactic army to be used to end the war. Millenia of tradition and honor are destroyed to fight the Clone Wars.

The newly elected president of the Senate simply demands emergency powers to establish a full military and remove the Jedi fully from command or involvement. He gets that power and the Jedi sent back into exile replaced by a new cabinet of military leaders instead. The Jedi general stay out of the latter years of the Clone Wars until they are SECRETLY hunted down and murdered by the Empire, not done so as part of some poorly explained plot of treason.
 
I would remove the clones.
the only good thing alongside maul and Qui-gon? i doubt it(in fact lucas make something insane already callling clone war since begin that would never make sense)

The issue of prequel...is failed with Anakin-Darth Vader and that dragged down anything else, make little sense as anything is already predestined and what will come and worse....Anakin failed to matter his darth side fall, heck he should have fall since movie 2 alone.

the whole prequel were a flawed concept since begin, much more a trilogy, a sequel one would have work better, and far better JJ mess(and i'm hyped for episode VIII)
 
I really can't stand the structure of the Clone Wars. It was poorly written. A conflict between droids and clones, which the Republic probably wouldn't use for morality reasons, makes little sense and doesn't vest the galaxy in the conflict to want to shape it into an Empire. I imagine some sort of Republic military experiment goes wrong or a crazy leader wants to control the galaxy using this army. Whichever occurs an invasion of the Republic with the monstrous clone army and their star fleet. Entire worlds and systems are destroyed in their path. The clones even commit genocide from orbit with bombard from space. The Jedi initially rise up to defend the Republic but are quickly blamed for the crisis appear in the first place as is the Senate and replaced by a full-scale and conscripted military. The Jedi go into exile awaiting the end of the war when they will return to be peacekeepers of the galaxy. Only the man who becomes Emperor has other plans and his secret police or other hired mercenaries including a young Darth Vader massacre and kill the Jedi off almost entirely. The military will stay in place following the rise of the Empire. The disappearance of the Jedi will simply be explained as them dying out following their retirement. No alleged cou and treason needed to destroy them.

Certainly sounds better than the prequels, not that is saying much.
 
Maul(brought back for a cartoon OTL) is the ONLY villain of these(even with one having a late skilled actor playing him) anyone cares about. The Emperor being both sides trait is kept but is greatly simplified(he trains Maul, but Maul turns on him for being an alien and wants to rule the Sith and the galaxy himself). He acts however, a bit more like Kylo Ren in OTL Sequel Trilogy(as foreshadowing), but as a non-human, he fights for justice for aliens and to an extent droids in the worst possible way.
To make it one movie, my idea of a Padme analog(with some Kaylee Frye-esque traits to make her useful and likable as a female character) is important, the threat is simple(Maul and the droids}, and the conflict is called the Clone Wars because Maul's proto-Empire and the increasingly authoritarian Republic mirror each other. Anakin turning into Vader has little to do with her , but more to do with Obi Wan( Obi Wan wants to end the war without killing Maul, Anakin refuses and kills Maul himself and only Palpatine truly congratulates him). The Luke-Leia split has more to do with the fact Luke and Leia were separated at birth(she gave birth on a crashlanding ship on a desert planet). Luke was given to Obi Wan, she would raise Leia herself, and she went out to live her days on Alderaan(where she died from cancer or some other mundane reason). Mustafar battle is similar to OTL, just MUCH shorter. The film ends with the iconic Vader scene, just no "NOOOO!!"

I disagree, Maul totally sucks as a villain. He has what? A line or two? Does no planning, shows no intelligence merely fights. He has as much impact as a rancor. Dooku is a much better villain, even Greivious is better. At least he has more than one line! No, Maul totally sucks from top to bottom. Even Clone Wars Maul is only somewhat improved. At least he has lines. His plans are stupid but at least he is more than a mere animal. Rebels Maul is better yet. He can manipulate people. OK, it is mostly a fifteen year old boy but that is better than nothing!
 
Certainly sounds better than the prequels, not that is saying much.
I think the prequels were as bad as they were because A) George Lucas insisted on having total control over all creative decisions (a big one, but not the only reason) and B) the technology around when they started with Episode I was not much better than Episode VI (but more CGI-oriented,) and Attack of the Clones was only a bit less cheesy in that regard (although the story was basically filler) but finally by Episode III the writing gets to be okay and the style really takes effect (with the kinks in CGI finally being figured out as well.)

Which is why I think Episodes III, IV, V and VI make a good tetralogy. If you could somehow add Darth Maul as the main villain in an episode III made around the same time as OTL (with a script that was wrote by Lucas and then passed around for critique) with Anakin and Obi-Wan (only because Episode IV has Obi Wan speaking about him knowing Lukes father by fighting alongside him in the clone wars) initially fighting a war in some far off sector; and ending similar to OTL Episode III.
 

samcster94

Banned
I disagree, Maul totally sucks as a villain. He has what? A line or two? Does no planning, shows no intelligence merely fights. He has as much impact as a rancor. Dooku is a much better villain, even Greivious is better. At least he has more than one line! No, Maul totally sucks from top to bottom. Even Clone Wars Maul is only somewhat improved. At least he has lines. His plans are stupid but at least he is more than a mere animal. Rebels Maul is better yet. He can manipulate people. OK, it is mostly a fifteen year old boy but that is better than nothing!
He'd have lines in this film and would be smarter. My plan is a VERY different Maul than OTL.
 

samcster94

Banned
I think the prequels were as bad as they were because A) George Lucas insisted on having total control over all creative decisions (a big one, but not the only reason) and B) the technology around when they started with Episode I was not much better than Episode VI (but more CGI-oriented,) and Attack of the Clones was only a bit less cheesy in that regard (although the story was basically filler) but finally by Episode III the writing gets to be okay and the style really takes effect (with the kinks in CGI finally being figured out as well.)

Which is why I think Episodes III, IV, V and VI make a good tetralogy. If you could somehow add Darth Maul as the main villain in an episode III made around the same time as OTL (with a script that was wrote by Lucas and then passed around for critique) with Anakin and Obi-Wan (only because Episode IV has Obi Wan speaking about him knowing Lukes father by fighting alongside him in the clone wars) initially fighting a war in some far off sector; and ending similar to OTL Episode III.
ROTS is obviously the easiest to salvage. An episode 3(with a different alt-Padme, as in she does stuff) made by a Rogue One esque team would have worked, and Lucas only has control over some of the minor decisions and possibly reshoots(not a good thing but throw him a bone).
 
I disagree, Maul totally sucks as a villain. He has what? A line or two? Does no planning, shows no intelligence merely fights. He has as much impact as a rancor. Dooku is a much better villain, even Greivious is better. At least he has more than one line! No, Maul totally sucks from top to bottom. Even Clone Wars Maul is only somewhat improved. At least he has lines. His plans are stupid but at least he is more than a mere animal. Rebels Maul is better yet. He can manipulate people. OK, it is mostly a fifteen year old boy but that is better than nothing!
Yeah he did suck as a villain, but nobody gave a shit he looks cool (especially when the other two villains were old white men) and people loved him from the start.

We know we can run a successful prequel film with him as the villain based on OTL, especially if we make him actually good.

ROTS is obviously the easiest to salvage. An episode 3(with a different alt-Padme, as in she does stuff) made by a Rogue One esque team would have worked, and Lucas only has control over some of the minor decisions and possibly re-shoots (not a good thing but throw him a bone).
Yeah I kind of like this idea, we would just need him to have a reason to let someone else do it. In OTL the prequels sucking and getting backlash from fans (, never being able to live up to his original creation, etc) is most likely what made him sell.
 

samcster94

Banned
Yeah he did suck as a villain, but nobody gave a shit he looks cool (especially when the other two villains were old white men) and people loved him from the start.

We know we can run a successful prequel film with him as the villain based on OTL, especially if we make him actually good.


Yeah I kind of like this idea, we would just need him to have a reason to let someone else do it. In OTL the prequels sucking and getting backlash from fans (, never being able to live up to his original creation, etc) is most likely what made him sell.

Have him make a bad(as in Batman and Robin bad) movie in the 90's as at least producer, like an ET sequel. That might do the trick, especially in the ET case as it'd get hated by fans on the primitive internet of the 90's.
 
Have him make a bad(as in Batman and Robin bad) movie in the 90's as at least producer, like an ET sequel. That might do the trick, especially in the ET case as it'd get hated by fans on the primitive internet of the 90's.
Yeah, either that or maybe making that shotty Indian Jones movie earlier.
 
If Wikipedia is right (I know, I know) then after 1980, this is virtually impossible. After Star Wars is revealed it is 'Episode IV', "Episode V" etc, then people are going to WANT episodes 1-3 and simply won't accept any 'one film prequel' rubbish.
 
take the ending lightsaber dual of phantom menace as the start, navigate into anikan being a bit older say around 12/13. found to have force powers but not fully understanding, his mother dies at the hands of maul.
move to Obiwan now a master taking Anakin as his padwan gang force choking jar jar. cue opening of clone wars and senate issues, move to revenge of the sith and anikan falling to the darkside.

2 1/2 hours should cover it. lots of action combined with decent story telling and you have it done.

otherwise just roll with revenge of the sith.

my problem with RotS was that one couldn't build empathy or invest in he characters for the most part. leave the children being born off screen, or make it point blank that Anakin kills her, but the children are saved with last second surgery.

this would be a film that would be ESB style dark. this is Vader Origen. make him likable and a hero in the first half and slowly build to him being taken under palpatines control. Have the turn moment be more about how Anikan wants more control and ability to make change, how it goes from good intentions to nightmare. Padame gets killed in the process trying to oppose her husband.
 

samcster94

Banned
If Wikipedia is right (I know, I know) then after 1980, this is virtually impossible. After Star Wars is revealed it is 'Episode IV', "Episode V" etc, then people are going to WANT episodes 1-3 and simply won't accept any 'one film prequel' rubbish.
The numbering could be fixed easily(an interesting variant would be to change 456 to 234), esp. after a different Lucas project has similar backlash. One easy solution to the demand would be to promise a live action tv series set between the prequel and Ep. 2(which is our 4). The movie would come out in the mid 90's, and then the series would start around 1997ish and end in 2001(and its series finale is essentially Rogue One).
 
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The numbering could be fixed easily(an interesting variant would be to change 456 to 234), esp. after a different Lucas project has similar backlash. One easy solution to the demand would be to promise a live action tv series set between the prequel and Ep. 2(which is our 4). The movie would come out in the mid 90's, and then the series would start around 1997ish and end in 2001(and its series finale is essentially Rogue One).
1 - 3 could be better though. it boils down to the directing and story telling. Phantom menace is just too far fetched goofy. AToC is starting but fails at what it starts RoTS - tone down the crazy, let the characters do what they need to do. its actually part of the issue I have with them. 1-3 are treated like outlandish cartoons.

Granted star wars is make believe. but at least 4-6 while immersed in the same universe where more story and character driven. and you could empathize with the characters. You could feel Vader's conflict, you Yoda actually had life. luke while whiny, grew and matured
 
I could see this being an origin story for Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi told in flashbacks primarily which explain much more efficiently than without.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a young Jedi assigned to protect Alderaan during the Clone Wars and its king named Bail Organa. During an invasion, a pilot on a spice freighter named Anakin helps intervene and rescue him and the Royal family to safety. It's during this time Kenobi takes the young man on as his Jedi apprentice sensing he is sensitive in the Force. Skywalker is a refugee from Tatooine whose family had mainly been lost in the war except for his brother Owen who he detests for his isolationism.

A few years later, after many years of training together in a warm and friendly relationship. Both become war heroes for their efforts and known across the galaxy. Skywalker probably has a brief romantic fling with some sort of woman they encounter along the way who is a supporting character, not a serious character like Padme Amidala was. Anakin eventually gets into an accident like a crashed ship which causes him to be burned and scarred from head to toe. He goes missing in the process with Obi-Wan unable to find him, which causes Anakin to assume he was purposefully abandoned by his master out of envy. Eventually, he is rescued by the future Emperor who convinces him that his master abandoned him or even deliberately shot him down and offers to heal him using training in the dark side of the Force.

Anakin now calling himself Darth Vader seeks revenge and hunts down the Jedi quietly as the Republic becomes the Empire in armored cou and purge. Eventually, Vader kills all of the Jedi except Obi-Wan who he personally detests the most for being the one who led him on the mission where his accident happened. The woman he got pregnant goes with Obi-Wan where she gives birth to the Skywalker twins and exile begins for each.
Heath Ledger as Anakin?
 
Heath Ledger as Anakin?
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